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All Forum Posts by: Patrick L.

Patrick L. has started 7 posts and replied 1395 times.

Post: Realistically, Who Gets 30+ Unit Apartments With No Money Down?

Patrick L.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 1,456
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Originally posted by @Jeff G.:

Okay, @Patrick L., what's a more realistic example?

 Well in that example you might also need to budget another $300k+ to repair and stabilize the property.   That would need to come from you or your partner, in cash.   Once stabilized for a year or so you could refinance it and cash that money back out or sell the property now that you've added value. 

Post: Realistically, Who Gets 30+ Unit Apartments With No Money Down?

Patrick L.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
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Originally posted by @Jeff G.:

Right, @Jason Hirko I either need a down-payment to grow as I move it serially from one deal to another OR I would need a money partner of some sort. If the deal is good, I don't anticipate finding the money to be a problem. 

Hypothetically..

Lets say I find a 40 unit complex.  Lets say it's under performing and only has 60% occupancy because PM sucks and rents are under market because the owner is old and hasn't kept up with inflation. Lets say the owner wants 100k down payment and it's owner financed. Lets say I get a cash partner who supplies the entire down payment and we agree to some terms and a time period... okay, now we've created an owner financed note and the property is positioned for an obvious value-play.

This isn't like wholesaling, which I'm much more familiar with, so it isn't clear to me how much money the cash partner and myself would get. Though, obviously the original owner would get his distribution from the rent rolls. Can someone clear that up for me?

If it's at 60% occupancy you're going to be coming out of pocket every month to make your mortgage and other overhead until you increase occupancy. It'll also most likely be neglected property that will require a large cash infusion for CapEx and updating and making the vacant units rent ready. If it's at 60% occupancy it's either because the property is in disrepair or there are market issues keeping tenants away (war zone, poor local economy, lack of local demand for property type, etc). On a distressed property a down payment is only a small portion of the cash outlay, the repairs and reserves will probably exceed that amount.

Post: Realistically, Who Gets 30+ Unit Apartments With No Money Down?

Patrick L.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 1,456
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Originally posted by @Jeff G.:

Damn, @Rodney Miller 20% occupancy is bad. If you hadn't told me it was in California, I would have assumed it was Detroit. If I'm following you correctly, the money is coming from the bank. They'll let you assume the loan and make interest only payments for a fixed period of time and (possibly) get a rehab loan to fix the place up. For credibility purposes, do you have a portfolio of apartments already to point to and say, "I know what I'm doing"? How did you come to know the broker?

 He said the owner lives in California and implies the owner is not local.  I'm guessing the apartment complex is in OK.   

Post: Seller wants 1031- I want seller financing

Patrick L.Posted
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  • Saint Petersburg, FL
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Originally posted by @Adam R.:

I am trying to finalize terms on a seller financed deal. The seller wants to do a 1031 exchange and has reservations about seller financing understandably so. I'm considering offering a large down payment(maybe 50%), then no monthly payments, and a balloon payment for the balance due at 5 years. Effectively it would be a 0% loan. Would this structure help the seller from a 1031 perspective?

Your 0% loan would be terrible for the seller tax wise.  If the interest rate is too low (or 0) the IRS will charge an imputed rate to the person holding the note (I believe it's around 3%) and they will be taxed on that theoretical interest as income (even though they received nothing).     Also no monthly payments is a pretty odd arrangement.  More fair terms would be interest only at a reasonable rate with a balloon.  

Post: I got my a$$ kicked yesterday in Columbus, Ohio

Patrick L.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
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Originally posted by @Chad B.:
I heard nothing from the seller for the next 24 hours... even after my offer expired with no accept or decline.d.

When I list a house on MLS in a hot market like this I generally list it on Friday morning. When offers come in they're informed that the seller is out of town for the weekend and will review them on Monday. On Monday morning my agent lets everyone that made an offer (and any other agents that have expressed interest for the clients) know that we have multiple offers (because I always do at the price point I like to operate at) and the seller will be selecting the best offer at the end of the day. When I do this with houses around $200k I get 20 offers, most over asking and go with the strongest offer (considering both price and terms/financing) )

You won't find a great deal on MLS in a hot market. If you buy the house that means you were willing to pay more than 25+ other buyers. A seller or agent with half a brain isn't going to jump on the first offer that comes in just because it's first when the market is hot and there is a ton of interest in the property. They'll do what I do and buy time and wait to see what the other options are.

The only deals I've closed this year were with off market distressed properties with problems that I could solve for the seller. I haven't touched MLS in 2 years for a purchase.

Post: Renter wants modifications to lease, need advice

Patrick L.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
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Sounds like a litigious tenant, I wouldn't agree to any of those.   If it's a prospective tenant move on now.  

Post: Obtaining permits after the work is complete

Patrick L.Posted
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  • Saint Petersburg, FL
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Are you sure the contractor you hired is even a licensed contractor?    If he is then great, you can give his name and license number to the inspector and he can do whatever is necessary to get the work cleared up and permitted.   If not then this is going to be a big headache on you.    

This is also a lesson for you, you need to learn to stay on top of things.  As an investor you need to verify that what is being done is what you paid for.   If the buyer can look up the permits then why didn't you?   Here I can see everything online, permits, inspection times, inspector's comments, etc.   I don't issue final payments until I verify that the permits have been closed.   I also verify that the contractors have pulled the permits when they are starting the work because as the owner I am going to be the one with the issue if the property gets nailed for work without a permit.   

At this point you're going to have to pull after the fact permits.   I don't know about your city but those are generally far more expensive and if some of the work needed to be inspected before being closed up then it will have to be opened back up if the inspector needs it opened (things plumbing or electrical).  HVAC is easy enough to inspect after the fact.   Electrical it depends on what work you did.  If it's just a service upgrade or panel changeout that's easy but if you rewired the entire house you could be in for a big headache.  

Post: St. Petersburg / Pinellas County

Patrick L.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
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Short term rentals of less than 30 days are prohibited in the City of St Petersburg.  You can rent your house legally twice per year for a period of less than 30 days.   The city doesn't proactively monitor this but when your neighbors call it in (and they will) they will crack down pretty hard.   There are other municipalities in Pinellas that do not/can not prohibit short term rentals.  

Post: $1,300,000 Deal at Age 21 & I'm Retired!

Patrick L.Posted
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  • Saint Petersburg, FL
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Sounds like you're on the right track.   I wouldn't say you have enough to retire but you've definitely set yourself up nicely.   $3k/month wouldn't even cover my 3 kids' private schools so I have to keep grinding.   

Post: Tenant passed away and there is 16 months left of the lease.

Patrick L.Posted
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  • Saint Petersburg, FL
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Originally posted by @Jennifer Saylor:

Thanks guys - that is pretty much the conclusion I came to as well. Her son-in-law was the one who signed the lease on my tenant's behalf. He also lives in the community and has been a huge help with previous tenants. I'm thinking of just terminating the lease on whatever day he requests and keeping the deposit (which was 2 months rent) but not charging them any extra months of rent beyond what the deposit would cover. I realize it will be financially tight for me for a couple of months, but he did put a lot of work into the place and since he is my neighbor I want to maintain the relationship. So its worth the struggle for a couple of months. I am going to meet with him and his brother-in-law (who is the executor of the will) on Aug 30th to finalize everything. At this point I'm assuming I will have to walk away from this deal with no further cash coming in - other than the deposit. If they offer something else, then great, but financially I'm planning for the worst case scenario. Thank you for the advice! 

Well if the place is in decent condition why not start marketing it now?   If their plan is to have the place cleared out by August 30th why not start looking for a tenant for September?