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All Forum Posts by: Michael Stole

Michael Stole has started 70 posts and replied 208 times.

Post: Where to find the floor plan of a house?

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14

That is expensive for just one question!

Originally posted by Roy N.:
Michael Stole:

It could vary a little depending on the layout and architecture of the house (2 story, etc), but if you are just asking yes/no about moving a couple of walls (or, rather, how much of this wall can I remove and what do I have to do to maintain structural integrity), I would expect a bill between $200 & $500 (that includes a site visit).

Post: How to justify the price on this deal?

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14

Then I can buy this lot for the listing price, $750k, build a 4000sqft house for 4000 sf *$125/sf= $500k, then sell it for $1.4m and net $150k.

Originally posted by Wayne Brooks:
For Sale prices mean nothing....if they were asking $1.5M tomorrow, would you assume the other one is now worth $916K?
Comparable sales of similar house is what matters. Yes, you could probably build a brand new house for less than $125/SF ,or so.

Post: Where to find the floor plan of a house?

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14

Thanks, guys for all the replies. I will make a floor plan myself, and find a structural engineer to find out which walls can be removed.

What is the fair price of a structural engineer?

Post: How to justify the price on this deal?

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14

$790k for the first house plus the lot is a fair price. Well the fair price is $750-$800. So if the house plus the lot sells for $790, then according to my calculation, the house itself sells for $332. It is this $332 just for the old house that I can not justify. It is just too expensive!

If the lot sells for less than $750k, then this makes the land worth less, and the first house worth more than $332. That is a even more ridiculous price to me.

Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
Huh?

Which price is the fair price? $790K or your calculated $332K?

What make you think the $750K price for the lot (no house, right?) has any validity?

Or that a $/sq.ft. is a meaningful metric for a lot? In some places, it might be. But in others a lot is a lot as long as its buildable.

Post: How to justify the price on this deal?

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
Huh?

Which price is the fair price? $790K or your calculated $332K?

[u]$790k for the first house plus the lot is a fair price. Well the fair price is $750-$800. So if the house plus the lot sells for $790, then according to my calculation, the house itself sells for $332. It is this $332 just for the old house that I can not justify. It is just too expensive!

What make you think the $750K price for the lot (no house, right?) has any validity?

If the lot sells for less than $750k, then this makes the land worth less, and the first house worth more than $332. That is a even more ridiculous price to me.

Or that a $/sq.ft. is a meaningful metric for a lot? In some places, it might be. But in others a lot is a lot as long as its buildable.

Post: How to justify the price on this deal?

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14

The house is for sale at $790k. The lot is 50*90.

There is a lot (just a lot) cross the street, 70*95, for sale at $750k. Assume that this lot sells at its list price, $750k, and assume that the per sqft price of land is the same for the two lots, then the lot of the first house worths $750k*(50*90)/(70*95)=$458k. This further suggests that the seller of the first house is selling the house itself for 790-458=$332k.

But this is a 2000 sqft house built in 40's probably, and comparable analysis shows that this is a fair price.

Then how can I justify the price on the first house? Am I making any mistake in the calculation?

Post: Where to find the floor plan of a house?

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14

Do you know where I can find a draftman? Thx.

Originally posted by Roy N.:
Michael Stole:

You could try asking the seller if s/he would provide access to the property- if it is owner occupied, s/he the might agree. If it is currently rented your might not get access. In either case, rather than you going in, you could/should engage a local draughtsman to produce a set of "real" drawings ... these would show structural elements, and maybe even systems, etc.

They would also be to scale and provide a basis from which you could have the draughtsman, an architect, or an engineer update them to show the structural renovations you wish to perform. You could then show these to contractors when soliciting bids.

Post: Where to find the floor plan of a house?

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14

Thanks, Roy. The deal has not closed yet. It will be closed in October, as the sell requested. Therefore I don't have access to the house now. However, I want to start preparing for renovation. That is the reason why I want a floor plan. I can not step in the house for measurements either I think. Can I?

It was built in 30's. We don't have many new houses in ottawa.

Originally posted by Roy N.:
Michael Stole

Is it a relatively "new" home? If so, track down the builder and get a floor plan. If it is like the mostly 55 - 125 year old properties we purchase, get your self a good tape measure and download Google sketchup ... your going to be making floor plans.

Now, once you have your floor plan and have identified the walls you would like to remove, take it (the floorplan) and an Engineeer or Contractor to the house to see which of those walls can be removed and which are structural. Many of the older Victorian and Second Empire homes here have a long corridor running down the centre of the main floor. The wall on one side, or perhaps both sides, are the main support walls holding up the 2nd floor and/or roof.

Post: Where to find the floor plan of a house?

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14

My offer gets accepted today! It is a center hall floor plan. I plan to remove some halls to make it open space. However, neither the seller nor the agent have the floor plan.

Can someone tell me where I can get a floor plan?

Post: Negotiating Pricing

Michael StolePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Ottawa, Ontario
  • Posts 217
  • Votes 14

I usually look at comp analysis, including similar properties sold in the past 3 months in the same community. I think there might be other ways to do it, but this gives me a ball park number that works well for me.

Originally posted by Josh Cordle:
@Michael Stole, what do you recommend when determining how much it's worth paying for?