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All Forum Posts by: Chris Winterhalter

Chris Winterhalter has started 26 posts and replied 537 times.

@Roy N.

Thanks for the response. One of our main investors had a terrible life threatening accident and we working hard to replace those funds. We have about 100-200k raised right now but need to close the gap somewhat shortly. Minimum investment is 50k, however we would prefer 100k. Our inspection is Tuesday and we are still closing the gap with local banks. The construction loan will be key to the deal, with the right LTV our raise might only be around 500k, but it could go to 600k depending on which bank we end up working with on the deal.

We also have solid investor references upon request.  Please feel free to reach out at [email protected] 

Fellow BiggerPockets investors, we are seeking equity funding on an upcoming syndication for a 74 unit apartment complex in Cincinnati we have under contract.  It's a solid C class deal in a good neighborhood of Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati (near Oakley/Norwood).  The deal wasn't listed and was secured through a local broker.  The down and dirty details are listed below...

-Acquisition - 1.6MM

-Hard & soft costs - 800k - major cosmetic renovation needed to push up rents, all in costs just over 32k/unit

-Preferred return of 8% with a 60/40 split, strong annual cash flow returns in the double digits.   

-5-7 year hold period - this is a long term cash flow play with some potential for appreciation with continued market growth (around the submarket surroundings)

-Rent Increase Opportunity - The offering spells out the rental comps, I believe with the right renovation (& opening up the floor plan) we can push rents closer to our well managed competitors.  

-Experienced Team - We own 118 units currently without outside investors.  We are looking to grow our portfolio.  We are experienced with C class apartment rentals and reposition projects.  Two of the three partners have a hotel construction company with a strong reputation in renovation.  

-Personal Guarantee - Myself and my two partners will be signing the personal guarantee 

The full offering can be downloaded from the following link...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f9fnuxjqqiqog1l/Williams...

We have a 74 unit multi-family deal under contract in the Pleasant Ridge area of Cincinnati and I'm looking for a few community bank recommendations.  It's a solid C class deal and we plan to inject around 800k into the building for mostly cosmetic interior and exterior upgrades.  Loan amount around 2MM and the bank needs to have an appetite for construction.  Strong borrowers and experienced construction team. 

Post: Tuckpointer recommendations in St Louis

Chris WinterhalterPosted
  • Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 566
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My previous tuckpointer has moved.  I'm in need of a experienced and affordable tuckpointer and masonry contractor.  Any recommendations are appreciated! 

St Louis City based preferred 

Chris 

Post: Hotel investing

Chris WinterhalterPosted
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  • Chicago, IL
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It can be difficult to make money in hotels under the 5MM price point, I know that sounds like an arbitrary number however it's more or less true depending on area etc.  Older economy hotels tend to trade at a multiple of revenue (say 3X) where midscale + branded assets trade based on cap rate.  Older economy properties are generally owner operated and run very lean (based on necessity).  You would be buying yourself a job rather than investing in an asset.  You can have older economy properties (under 5MM) professionally managed however the numbers don't generally pencil out (main reason why they trade based on a multiple of revenue).  Now many great hotel investors and operators started out running their first hotel however thats probably not the course I would take.  A 100 room Hampton Inn in the Midwest that trades at 80k/key/9 cap and is professionally managed runs much more like an investment than a 100 room Baymont Inn that trades at 25k/key/revenue of 833k.  

Hotels are very capital intensive and are very operator driven.  Understanding how to work with the brands and the PIP (property improvement plan) process are extremely important to underwriting hotels.  Beyond that understanding the operational side, ADR, & RevPar are essential even when not managing the property yourself.  Understanding PIP costs goes beyond normal construction knowledge, it's important to develop a team you can trust within the industry.  Because a PIP that costs 5k/key vs. 12k/key might not be very evident from someone looking in from the outside.  

The lender and brand will require experience when buying or building a hotel asset. Depending on the brand they will require a hotel management group that is licensed to manage the specific brand. If you are acting as the sponsor they will also require strong financials, specific real estate experience, or both. Weak financials (even if you can raise the capital) and no experience will make it difficult to obtain a loan. SBA 504 loans are easier to obtain for investors starting out however they are full recourse. CMBS is very active in the space right and offers great rates/terms on non-recourse debt. You will likely be looking at 70% LTV with CMBS, however they will wrap in PIP costs. Most lenders will wrap in PIP costs as it's very common to hotel transactions.

I will also note that you are entering the space towards the upper end of the cycle. Most industry experts believe we have another strong 3 years however it's unclear what the future holds beyond this (on-going real estate debate I know). There's a lot of capital in the market right now and hotels are becoming somewhat of the hot real estate class (think multi-family 2-3 years ago). The issue with hotels which is different from other CRE asset classes like Office, Multi-family, etc, is additional supply can instantly affect your bottom line. If a new property opens up across the street from your hotel you will instantly feel the rate/occupancy effect unless the market can absorb the supply. With office/multi-family it takes years for additional supply to affect stable properties. Now there's a flip side to that, you can capture rate increases instantly as demand pushes where other asset classes can not. The hotel industry is performing extremely well right now, RevPar is up and it's from rate not occupancy, which means more dollars fall to the bottom line. However something has to give with so much supply coming on board over the next 12-24 months. The market can probably absorb the supply over that period however I'm more worried about 36 months down the road.

I've mentioned this in other posts however if you have a strong interest in the hotel space you need to either change your career path or actively become involved in the community (networking, industry events, news, etc).  Hotels are not really something you can dabble in, the industry has a very small circle of players, and these people are generally solely focused on the industry.  Many investors have been burned by the industry, it takes time to learn the operations, revenue management, construction, asset management, etc.  And although there is a lot of money to be made in the industry there is also a lot of money to be lost.  

We are a national hotel contractor specializing in major branded hotel renovations.  We also invest in multi-families and have been trying to enter the hotel investment side for about two years.  I've been very careful with entering the space, even though I'm somewhat well networked in the community and am able to control one piece of the transaction (construction).  I think 2015 will be our year to enter however I'm extremely focused on mitigating risks for my team and our investors.  It's an interesting time in the cycle but that doesn't mean opportunities don't exist. 

Also I would definitely reach out to @Jimmy Klein as an experienced resource in the community. There are a handful of industry conferences throughout the year, it would be worthwhile to attend several if you are interested in the space. Also you might want to think about doing a JV deal with an experienced developer or investing passively in a deal to understand the financials/process. Good luck!

Post: Blind Auction? Commercial Real Estate?

Chris WinterhalterPosted
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  • Chicago, IL
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@Jimmy Klein

I hope all is well on your end! Is it currently flagged with a major brand? Lenders can pull from STR for bridge and A&C loans if the brand/hotel submits data. This at least gives them ADR, RevPar, & occupancy.

I know a few developers that were having luck with GE Capital on conversions and new build projects.  But timeframes might be tough.  Aries Capital does a wonderful job in the major branded space, and they might be able to offer assistance with a bridge loan.  Let me know if you want me to send over some info.  

Post: Financing big deals

Chris WinterhalterPosted
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  • Chicago, IL
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@Ryan McElroy

If you are a newer investor without any funds you might want to gain the experience and network before you start using other peoples funds to invest. Although you will hear about a fair amount of successful real estate investors that didn't start with a lot of money the list will shrink when you add in starting with larger deals. Also the market is extremely hot right now especially across most CRE asset classes. The competition is capitalized, experienced, and intelligent. Without a track record you will find it extremely difficult to get investors to fund your deals. Even with a wealthy friends and family network they will more than likely want to see some type of experience. A partner could potentially bring experience to the deal however you will still need to bring value. Also you will need funds to source deals, due diligence, earnest money, etc. This easily reaches 6 figures+ for even small sized commercial deals 1-3MM+.

I see you are a recent college grad, have you thought about working in real estate to gain experience?  I don't want to discourage dreaming big however you will have to consider the challenges.  

@Brandon Turner

64 unit deal with seller financing and strong local banking relationship for acquisition and construction loan.  

@Debbie Lee 

As others have mentioned I would definitely dispute all of the CC charges with your CC company as fraudulent charges, based on the company not providing the promised service/product.  

And our legal society is actually very parental.  Meaning if they can prove a sophisticated party has essentially outsmarted a non-sohisticated party in order to sign a contract or do business with that person then they can void the contract or agreement.  It's much different than buying a piece of real estate.  However you would need to hire the right lawyer/firm and that unfortunately may not be worth the cost and hassle to recover the remainder of the funds.  However it still may be worth the initial call.  

Also you may want to check with your closest university (w/ the best law school).  Many good law schools offer legal help to local businesses.  You may qualify for help (you may not). 

And as others have mentioned the internet is probably the most powerful place. Let your experience be known.  Best of luck!   

Post: The best techno music to listen to in the office

Chris WinterhalterPosted
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  • Chicago, IL
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The only station I've listened to over the last 6 years has been Energy98 on iTunes radio & the Energy98 podcasts (mainly the music podcasts).  It's energizing, like the Energizer Bunny!