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All Forum Posts by: Sticky Rammel

Sticky Rammel has started 2 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Got experience with mixed use in smaller towns?

Sticky RammelPosted
  • Investor
  • Van Wert, OH
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Dan McDermott:

Thanks for the fantastic response, Frank! You definitely raise a bunch of points that make a lot of sense. One of the biggest pitfalls is the age of the buildings I'm looking at. 

Kevin, I'll reach out via message right now. Thanks for chiming in too!


 I've been investing in some mixed use in very small towns for past 5-10 years. populations of 1000 - 1500, 8000, 16000 etc. Curious how it went 3 years later, Dan? Still investing in them, etc. 

Post: Triplex assistance - what price would make it work?

Sticky RammelPosted
  • Investor
  • Van Wert, OH
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Jeff Tracy:

Unless you can get an incredible deal and walk into it with a ton of equity, I would pass. You only have $326 every month to cover financing and profit. You basically cannot afford financing. If you paid all cash then your cash on cash returns would be minuscule. Finally, you would always have to self manage because there's no money left over to cover management fees. I wouldn't even look at this as taking on risk. You are looking at a property that will take a lot of your time and offer no reward. You would be working for the banks and your tenants for free.

 Thanks, Jeff! I think I'll have a stiff drink, chalk this up to a learning experience and start looking for the next potential candidate. I'm just having a hard time finding a good multi-family candidate in my small town, but I'll keep to the grindstone. Many thanks again.

Post: Triplex assistance - what price would make it work?

Sticky RammelPosted
  • Investor
  • Van Wert, OH
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Barbara G.:
Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

Hi @Sticky Rammel.  Welcome to BP!  I have some small plexes and will offer a couple observations.  To get specific on a number to offer is tough.  To guess a good cap-ex % without knowing the condition of the property is even tougher, but wth a typical 120-yo building 10% may be about right. What are the age of the roof and mechanicals?  Is the foundation good? 

Anyway, Op expenses of 70% of rents is higher than most. I need my DSCR to be 1.2 with a 10% DP. Meaning my debt service needs to be less than half of gross rents. Your debt number for break even (and adding mgt exp) here seems to be less than $200. Not much.

As outlined, you appear to be paying for a headache that will consistently lose you money. I'd rather take a nap. FMV will also be determined heavily by comparable sales here in the residential space you're in. What do other 1/1 120-yo triplexes in this area go for?

=============================================Consider the age of the furnance.  If it is 20 years old and the cost is $5,000, well you have furnace at the end of its life and then in less then 5 years you have to come up with $5,000 + and the same goes for the roof so that's another $6,000 and the same goes for the electrical and the plumbing. Its an old old house and there probably is nothing left of it.   So you probably  need $5,000 a year just to replace major cappex.  

It does not look like  winner here

This is really helpful, I guess I didn't think of all the major Capex items correctly. I'm starting to realize that it's going to be pretty difficult to find a good deal in my small town for a multi-family. But thanks to you great people, I'll be much better prepared to analyze the next one more effectively and accurately. Thanks for the insight again; this has been a great excercise for me.

Post: Triplex assistance - what price would make it work?

Sticky RammelPosted
  • Investor
  • Van Wert, OH
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3

@Steve Vaughan The Roof is b/t 10-12 years old and has a 25 year dimensional shingle. Looks pretty dang good.  One unit has a newer furnace and central air unit(less than 5 years old). The other units have a furnace that is 15 years old ballpark, the other one is a gas water pump that is old but was just maintained. by a licensed hvac company. All 3 units have newer updated breaker boxes. The Foundation is very solid. He had a new block put in under the back side entrances in the last couple of years. They put block in 3 feet down. I really believe it's in great shape considering the age of the building. 

I can only find a a few triplexes in the area listed. There's just not many available. And they're in this ballpark of price. I certainly understand I would need to purchase much lower than 80K if at all. I guess I'm also looking at this as a good excercise for analyzing other multi-family, as I am looking to add more units to my very small porfolio.

Your input is extremely helpful. Thank you so much.

Post: Triplex assistance - what price would make it work?

Sticky RammelPosted
  • Investor
  • Van Wert, OH
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Barbara G.:

The age of the property would be a big concern to me. Cappex seems low for that age property as does 

maintanence

Really appreciate that input, Barbara. I was wondering about that myself. But I did look the property over good, and it has been kept up really well. My Brother-in-law lives next door and he can attest to that, as well. My nephew does the lawn care and snow removal. 

Post: Triplex assistance - what price would make it work?

Sticky RammelPosted
  • Investor
  • Van Wert, OH
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3

Hello BP Friends - I am looking at a Triplex in a small town. Good neighborhood. It's fully rented out currently. It was built in the late 1800's. All 3 units are 1bd, 1ba.

Owner wants to sell without listing, says the "starting" price is $80K, and he got that number from a Real Estate Agency who said that would be the high side.

Here's the details that I know:

Rent Income: $1050/month ($350/each unit)

*I believe there is some room for increase here(probably to $400/unit). Tenants pay the utilities except the water, which I have listed below as an expense.

Expenses:

Insurance: $84/mo

Taxes: $125/mo

Water/Sewer: $112/mo

Lawn/Snow: $88/mo

Maintenance: $105/mo (10%)

CapX: $105/mo (10%)

* note: I've never owned a multi-unit, so is 10% reasonable for this budgeting?

Vacancy: $105 (10%

Property Management: $0 (I'll self - manage this one)

Total (without financing): $724

So If I'm looking at this property as realistically as I can, it would not work at all at $80K but what sale price would it work at? And/or I guess I'm trying to figure out how do I analyze this differently if I were to pay cash for the property or if I do traditional financing with say 20% down, then bank loan. That would change what makes a good deal I guess.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated, as I only currently have SFH. Thank you in advance.

Ben-  As usual I'm late to the game, but if you haven't closed this out, I'd love to come. I'll offer a lift to all of the other members from sunny Van Wert, Oh.

Post: New Member in Murfreesboro & Nashville TN

Sticky RammelPosted
  • Investor
  • Van Wert, OH
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3

Welcome, @Keith Bass Jr. You're going to like it here.

Post: Rookie in Van Wert, OH

Sticky RammelPosted
  • Investor
  • Van Wert, OH
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3

My pleasure, @Brandon Turner

I have set up my Keyword Alerts, it's working great so far. Thanks for the warm welcome!

Post: Rookie in Van Wert, OH

Sticky RammelPosted
  • Investor
  • Van Wert, OH
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3

Thanks @Mehran K. I'm working on researching #3 currently, trying to see if I can figure out a strong estimate of improvements. Thanks again.