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All Forum Posts by: Stetson Oates

Stetson Oates has started 1 posts and replied 63 times.

I'm not sure this is the correct way, but I had the same issue with a lease I inherited.  I just drew up a document saying we didn't offer that service with those programs and had the tenant sign it.  It was a bundle of services for $49.95 a month.  The tenants were happy to sign it and save the $49.95, they had never used the services.

Quote from @Jules Aton:

At your age with a family I would be hesitant to go all in anything different than what is paying your bills. You are already doing RE, continue with a LTR or fix/flip. Also don't overlook TSM index funds for truly passive potential gains and diversification. 

Ouch. 

IMO:

This can and could have been said about all DSCR loans for the last 25 years. Lenders require a 1:1 to qualify, but most will underwrite more conservative.

As an underwriter and lender, at one time in my life, this is click bait. There will always be lenders who are great at underwriting and hedging risk. 

There will always be lenders who are not great at underwriting.

Aside from all this, there will be well underwritten loans made by great lenders to great borrowers that default.  It happens.

OK,  This will be a really dumb question.  Can I direct my 401K into my own real estate investing?

Raise Rents if you are in this position.  If you cant, sell the property and invest elsewhere. 

Kinda OT, I love AI when I'm trying to word an email or have a rough draft of what I'm trying to say. Chat GPT cleans it up for me and usually says what I'm trying to convey in a better format.

Example, when I'm sending a welcome email to a new tenant or wording a late payment email.  It's really helpful in those areas. I've also used it to compile data and it's been a moderate success, but it's getting better at analyzing the data. I always have to re-format the presentation and clean up some of the "weirdness" Chat can have. Overall I'm happy with Chat and what it provides. It will only get better, that's scary.  
                      

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

living off of rental income to me is just another business.. your running a rental business instead of working for someone else.. IE self employeed still takes risk/effort and attention to details.

I think were many get romanced into this is thinking Rentals = no or very little work.. 

There are many business you could live off of cash flow with the same investments. IE  millions in debt and Lots of cash dumped into them to buy the rentals.. 

Just another form of American Small business which is the backbone of our economy and lifestyles here in the US>

One thing that does make it easier to enter though many can get debt with zero experience where as buying a business acquiring debt normally takes some experience. 

Lastly to me it really depends on the Asset class IE if your buying lower end C D section 8 much more work required and less likely you will ever live strictly on the cash flow over debt and cost to run them.. 

And of course the bonanza happens when you retire your debt like many who have posted thats when life gets good.. but today max debt cash flow assets is going to be very hard except for those that are also flipping and creating income outside of the rentals and never touch rental income


One trend I see in the responses here is that people who live off their rentals are also the property manager and the handyman. I don't mean that negatively in any way; I love working with my hands and it is very satisfying. But financially speaking, a portion of their income is compensation for doing these tasks. 

When you look at the guys that really have scaled, most of them have started their own PM company and are vertically integrated. But that's the cool thing, you can design your biz the way you like it, do the things you can enjoy and outsource what you are not good at. (Or hate, like in case my bookkeeping LOL)

I don't think I could stomach giving away deposits and 10% of rents to a management company who could care less about my property.  I can do 90% of what they do, but only better with minimum time spent on my part all while keeping my W2. At some point I'll have to start my own and hire an employee, but that's after scaling to 50ish doors. IMO management companies are like factoring invoices, IFKYK.

It's just a values thing.  My father always taught me that any debt you take on is paid before you eat. I think syndicators think they take on investors and not debt.  To me they are the same thing, you pay them before you eat.  Brandon is spamming the social media venues like crazy, I hate that. I tend to think he's a good guy but if he were, he would stop looking for investors, subscribers, workshop money....  I hate it for all involved but Brandon is not helping himself I think.

Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @Bill B.:

It sounds a lot like the lock in effect is still in effect, as it obviously is. But too many “news” sources already declared it over, or at least ending. 

80-90% of sellers are buyers? What’s the motivation to pay 50% more for a home priced the same, or 100% more for a slightly more expensive home? You HAVE to be moving, combining households, or some other life event that just isn’t happening that often. 

If housing is at all time unaffordable levels, what do sellers need to buy a new place? All time high selling prices. Can’t get em? Can’t move. Property either sits on the market or gets taken off and they stay put. As Jay said the only people who can switch house at “almost no cost” (5-6% selling costs?) are people selling paid off properties for something about the same or cheaper. 

if prices are going down, there’s no incentive to quickly sell for anyone that’s going to buy another property. “Oh no, housing prices are going down. I better sell my home quick, and buy another one…”


 This is a large part of what I'm seeing in my markets, which is obviously just an anecdotal observation. There is relatively little forced selling right now. Many sellers are in no need to sell and will take their house off the market if they cant get what they want for it. 

I have one client who moved into a new primary and listed his old home for $300k over the two private appraisals he got for it prior to listing. He's nominally cut the price twice in small amounts, but has said that he's not "giving it away." If he doesnt get what he wants for it, he wont sell it - and he doesnt need to. He can comfortably afford to keep both houses for at least a few years if he chooses.

To your point, buyers are being equally as picky. Theyre not going to pay $2k-$3k/month more than they currently pay unless they get exactly what they want. I think this is why the market is largely freezing and transactional volume is so low. For every loan I close right now, I have 5-10 would-be buyers who want to buy, have decent income and credit, but cant afford current prices. As soon as on-market stuff gets within reach, they'll be buying. Whether this comes from slight declines in prices or interest rates is yet to be seen, but I suspect these would-be buyers will put a floor under prices at some point that is higher than most are expecting. 

The only thing that I see bringing home prices down significantly anytime soon is major, prolonged stress in the labor market. It wouldnt surprise me if it's more likely that we see inflation return and wages grow rather than unemployment jumping a huge amount. 

I've recently bought three houses where the sellers have no intention of buying anytime soon. They just simply have found rentals that are more affordable than their mortgage and maintenance costs on their houses, so they sold. I may be in a niche market, but if I am, I'm sticking around this one for a while.


 I think the locations play a huge roll as well. Florida, I think is more of owners being tired of the hurricanes and insurance increases. If you pair that with the rates being high, Florida will be crushed.

If you have title insurance, once you move the title to the LLC your policy won't follow. If this is important, have the title company re-issue a policy.

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