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All Forum Posts by: Stephanie P.

Stephanie P. has started 186 posts and replied 4623 times.

Post: DSCR loans BRRR

Stephanie P.
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Quote from @Jordan Fujan:

I've currently been shopping around banks for a DSCR loan on a BRRR. I've now had 4 banks get back and say they only offer up to 25 year amortization and 5 year rate terms. They can do around %8 on the loan. When i first started reading about DSCR i was under the impression they were still generally 30 year fixed loans.


Is 25 years and 5 year terms the current norm? Would you be reluctant to go with a 5 year term? 


 Lots of brokers out there that will do 30 year fixed, but a lot depends on your situation.

I can't recommend any bank for DSCR, especially if they're keeping you on a 25 year amortization. The cash flow will be terrible in almost every market in the country.

Post: How to do price match between 2 LENDERS

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Quote from @Vu Le:

Borrower currently goes with LENDER A, but LENDER A ends up with very high interest rate and fee.

To do price match, I would like to ask whether I need to show LENDER A the lower rate & better fee from LENDER B's rate engine on their portal? 

or if LENDER B's approval and CTC are required to match the price?

and is it legal if LO submit one file to 2 different lenders at the same time?

Why not be honest with the two or three lenders that you want to get a quote from and say something like "I'm shopping for a rate right now. What do you need from me in order to get a rate and fees quote.  Remember, all fees (yours, the lenders, title; I need as much information as I can get."  Then, once you've given them enough time to get you your rate etc...pick one.  
This is not hard.  You can choose to call the other two and say, "Hey man, thanks for getting me that rate, but Johnny down the street came in with a good one, so I'm going to go with them" or not.  Let them know if they call, but you don't have to.
Once you've decided to go with a lender, don't have another application out there waiting to go; it's unethical.
Stephanie

Post: Multifamily loan rates

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Quote from @Olga Daisel:

I know this fluctuates, but just want to see what other people are getting loan wise for a loan on multifamily over 5 units?

I've been recently quoted 10%, seems a bit steep...


 Looks like rates are between 6% and 10%.LOL

Like others have said, it depends on how the loan is structured-DSCR, full doc, bank statements etc...

Of course, credit and loan to value are big players in the rate as well.

Stephanie

Post: Looking for DSCR Cashout Refinance help and advice

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Quote from @Will Seaman:

Hello all. 

So I am getting ready to cash out refi my first investment property, i will put all the numbers at the end. I bought the property with a fix and flip hard money bridge loan, put down roughly 22% and and financed 100% of my rehab budget into the bridge loan. 

I got one qoute today that looks okay, but the cost the loan (underwriting, closing, ect) accounts for 16% of the loan. Taking almost half of my cash out. This loan is with no seasoning period. i can wait another month and be at 3 months, or wait longer and be at 6 months. are there better deals out there. My goal is to get as much of my cash back into my pocket as possible. 

DSCR REFI qoute

loan amount: 112,000

rate: 8.99

points fees and cost: 11,576

cash out value: 16,424

Bridge loan. 

84,000 interest only 12 months at 11.99% 

property will rent for 2000 at a 1.76 DSCR score.

thank you


The low loan amount is driving some of the cost and limits the lenders that will take it, but we just closed a similar loan (94K) and the total fees were:

3 points or $2,820 to US Commercial-no additional fees like processing etc... came to us.

Lender's underwriting fee $1,395

Lender also charged interest reserves for $2,820

Appraisal to a third party $550

Credit report to a third party $45

Hazard insurance for $1,733

Escrow for taxes and insurance (just 3 months were required) $687.98

Title charges equaled $2,702.75 which included a the government recording charges and a mobile notary

All of those total up to $12,753.73.  Those fees aren't exorbitant by any stretch. 

The interest rate ended up at 7.7 with a 3 year prepay on a 30 year fixed.

Post: Trying to analyze multi family deal/figure out how to finance with no W2

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Quote from @Joey Devlin:

So I am self-employed and currently have no W2 income. I have found a deal that seems very intriguing on a duplex, and I wanted to hear opinions on how others would go about this deal if they were in my situation. There is an off market duplex priced at $215,000. 2,294 sq ft in total, 2 beds 1.5ba in each side of the duplex, 4bd 3ba total. I would estimate the property needs about 70k in rehab (conservatively, possibly less- I have not seen the property in person), and each side would rent at a minimum $1,300/mo. I guess I am wondering at first if this is a good deal to consider buying, and how would the financing piece go without a W2 income, and needing money for down payment/repair costs. Any insight is greatly appreciated- thank you!


 Joey.  Welcome to BP

I don't think the numbers on this deal work.

If you purchase a property worth 215K and it needs 70K, with carrying costs that's around 300K to get mortgaged once construction is complete. That means to get long term financing (DSCR because you have no income), the property would have to be valued at 428500 (70% of the ARV). If it is valued at 70% of ARV, the monthly payment on 300K at 8% is 2201 and that's just principal and interest. Even if you can get it financed, you're looking at putting out over 50K in cash (80% ltv on the initial purchase plus carrying costs) to make virtually nothing monthly.

Stephanie

Post: How would you start investing if you had $150k???

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Quote from @Jeff Hines:
Quote from @Stephanie P.:
Quote from @Jeff Hines:

Hey everyone,

I am a 28 year old who currently lives in NC. I just want to explain my circumstances and see how people with experience and knowledge in real estate would move forward if they were in my shoes. I have $150k in cash that I received from an inheritance and would like to use it to invest in real estate(I already have 6 months of reserves of my own money saved). I also have a credit score of 756.

My overall goal is to buy enough doors to supplement working full time so one day I can focus full-time on becoming an entrepreneur. I know that will take some time but I would like to get started ASAP! I took a few years out of work to take care and spend time with a family member whp passed, so I have only been working for a year now. This has caused me to have trouble with getting approved for loans/mortgages due to my work gap. I have done some research and have found a few ways I could possibly start investing in real estate. If you would take a different route than the ones I’m going to list below please let me know.

  1. Since I can’t afford to pay cash for a home here in North Carolina, pay cash for a home in places like Detroit, Alabama, or Ohio. I would then renovate, rent, and refinance. Rinse and repeat this process over time.
  2. Instead of paying cash use that money and spread them over multiple dscr loan so I can own more doors and just collect the cash flow after expenses.
  3. Wait another year so I can have two years of work history/W-2s. This would increase my chances of being approved for a FHA loan. This would allow me to save money compared to paying cash or the huge Down-payment DSCR loans require.

Are there any other no documentation loans other than DSCR loans that I should look into?

If anyone has any advice or recommendations on how you would get started in real estate if you were in my shoes please let me know any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated!


Best advice I can give you is take your time and get the foundation of your burgeoning empire set before you get into DSCR loans.

Conventional financing is the least expensive out there. Exhaust all of your conventional or government financing options before you get into DSCR. DSCR will impact your debt to income ratio and it could impact it negatively.

Once you get your W2 situation straight, buy a small multi family and live in it for a year. You can use FHA or conventional financing for that. Do that a couple times until you can't. Once that avenue is exhausted, go the single family route using conventional or government financing. Again, once you can't do that anymore THEN use DSCR.

You're in a great position, but using the wrong type of financing in the beginning could impede the growth of your portfolio.

All the best

Stephanie


I would definitely like to start with a multi-family home but I currently live in Charlotte and can’t afford a Multi family at the moment. I also only make about 40k a year currently which doesn’t give me much buying power. 

I know DSCR could affect my DTI, maybe if I put it under a llc and sign as the guarantor could I work around it affect me personally?


If you put the DSCR loan under your LLC, it will still affect your debt to income ratio BECAUSE you'll sign a personal guarantee. The LLC is a pass through entity and will show up on your personal Schedule E and once the property shows up on the LLC, the debt (that probably won't show on your personal credit report) will be included in your total debt. The income will too, but the whole point of owning properties is to avoid taxes, so you'll write off as much as you can and that won't help offset the debt.

I don't know what to tell you about the Charlotte area. I know it's expensive, but look at something in the smaller towns outside Charlotte or probate sales or start going to REIA's and Meet ups and find some investors or people trying to sell fixer upper. You're a prime candidate for an FHA 203K loan.

Post: Refinance in own name or LLC?

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Quote from @Emily Thompson:

I recently purchased a duplex with seller financing (3 year note). I would like to put my LLC on the title instead of my own name, but knowing that I will need to refinance within 3 years, will it be harder to get a loan with the LLC? Would it matter if it is conventional vs DSCR? Could I just put it back in my name if need be? Thank you!


 Emily

Exhaust your conventional financing options first. There are ways to use an LLC in the conventional world. That way you avoid the prepayment penalties also.

I'm a DSCR broker and always tell client to exhaust the conventional options before getting a DSCR loan. DSCR will impact your debt to income ratio down the line (personal guaranty; even with an LLC), so get all the conventional money you can while you don't have to worry about it.

Stephanie

Post: Creative Financing option on a Flip

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Quote from @Armand P.:

Hello BP!

My partner and I just completed our first house flip in Vegas NV. We went through a Hard-Money lender for both the loan and rehab cost. Unfortunately, this project took much longer than anticipated. The property has been on the market for 40 + days now and we just made a price reduction. 

The issue we are facing now is our loan period ends middle of next month, which after we will be subject to pay extension fee and possibly high interest rate. 

We're thinking of delisting it and applying for a DSCR loan to pay-off existing loan with a cash-out refi. We would than look for a tenant to rent for 2-3 years (lease option) and re-coup the rest of the funds at that time.

Any suggestions or recommendations would greatly be appreciated! Feel free to reach out

Thank you,

Armand


 It's all math.

How long have you owned it?  That's going to determine when you can reasonably refinance and get cash out.

What did you pay for it, put into it and what's it worth now. If you're not below 70% ltv (all in) of the ARV right now before closing costs, you'll more than likely come out of pocket for at least some of the closing costs.

If it's not rented, like others have said, you may have to take a reduced ltv.

Best of luck

Stephanie

Post: How would you start investing if you had $150k???

Stephanie P.
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Quote from @Jeff Hines:

Hey everyone,

I am a 28 year old who currently lives in NC. I just want to explain my circumstances and see how people with experience and knowledge in real estate would move forward if they were in my shoes. I have $150k in cash that I received from an inheritance and would like to use it to invest in real estate(I already have 6 months of reserves of my own money saved). I also have a credit score of 756.

My overall goal is to buy enough doors to supplement working full time so one day I can focus full-time on becoming an entrepreneur. I know that will take some time but I would like to get started ASAP! I took a few years out of work to take care and spend time with a family member whp passed, so I have only been working for a year now. This has caused me to have trouble with getting approved for loans/mortgages due to my work gap. I have done some research and have found a few ways I could possibly start investing in real estate. If you would take a different route than the ones I’m going to list below please let me know.

  1. Since I can’t afford to pay cash for a home here in North Carolina, pay cash for a home in places like Detroit, Alabama, or Ohio. I would then renovate, rent, and refinance. Rinse and repeat this process over time.
  2. Instead of paying cash use that money and spread them over multiple dscr loan so I can own more doors and just collect the cash flow after expenses.
  3. Wait another year so I can have two years of work history/W-2s. This would increase my chances of being approved for a FHA loan. This would allow me to save money compared to paying cash or the huge Down-payment DSCR loans require.

Are there any other no documentation loans other than DSCR loans that I should look into?

If anyone has any advice or recommendations on how you would get started in real estate if you were in my shoes please let me know any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated!


Best advice I can give you is take your time and get the foundation of your burgeoning empire set before you get into DSCR loans.

Conventional financing is the least expensive out there. Exhaust all of your conventional or government financing options before you get into DSCR. DSCR will impact your debt to income ratio and it could impact it negatively.

Once you get your W2 situation straight, buy a small multi family and live in it for a year. You can use FHA or conventional financing for that. Do that a couple times until you can't. Once that avenue is exhausted, go the single family route using conventional or government financing. Again, once you can't do that anymore THEN use DSCR.

You're in a great position, but using the wrong type of financing in the beginning could impede the growth of your portfolio.

All the best

Stephanie

Post: Lending snobbery - DSCR loans

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Quote from @Lisa H.:

Has anyone experienced a lender treat you differently after reviewing your financials? I am working with this lender who was so friendly and helpful. I was fist trying to qualify for a conventional but since I can't verify some of my income and my tax returns are a bit of a mess, I'm going down the DSCR loan path. But this lenders attitude shifted. He says I wouldn't have any issues with getting a DSCR loan but "good luck finding any deals that pass the 1%." And he supposedly works with investors.


This reminded me of an old boss I had (feels like a hundred years ago).

Back in the early 90's when subprime loans were just getting started, I had this borrower that I got from a Pennysaver ad that I ran (some of you may remember them). The nice lady didn't qualify for a conventional loan because her taxes were a mess (she had a few properties and wrote everything and its mother off). As it happened, a wholesale rep from Unicor Mortgage came into the office and asked to look at turn downs to see if he could do something with them. I had the file in the bottom of my desk drawer (paper files back then) and I showed it to him. He wrote up the prequal, told me to fax the submission form in, send over the few documents they needed and the closed the loan in 2 weeks. My boss was furious because the borrower "didn't deserve a loan" and "if they can't go conventional or government, we don't lend to them." Well I left a couple weeks later and never looked back. That kind of mentality is still alive and well in many lending institutions; even those that offer DSCR loans. Many LO's don't know how to structure them, they don't know the pieces of an LLC that they may or may not need to collect and some don't even know the difference between a hazard policy and a homeowner's policy.

Sorry you got a bad LO.

Stephanie