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All Forum Posts by: Stephanie P.

Stephanie P. has started 186 posts and replied 4623 times.

Post: What rates are you guys on DSCR loans

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Quote from @Ryan Dunn:

I did get a qute the other day at 6.89% but the fees i thought were high. 2 points and $2k fee for the loan. So $4k in fees. But its also my first DSCR loan. Maybe i am getting a good deal?


 That's not high.

Post: Cash out Refinance on investment property with no liens or mortgages in Conway, NH

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Like others have said, DSCR would be the way to go for the investment property. You won't have to bring any of your stuff into the situation if you're not part of the LLC and if you are, then rearrange the Operating Agreement to make yourself a 10% owner.

Conway would be considered rural and your LTV will be reduced because of it, but 65% is still a pretty nice loan amount.

Feel free to reach out if you need additional information.

Stephanie

Post: First time Rental Buyer

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Quote from @Dean Halpin:
Quote from @Stephanie P.:
Quote from @Dean Halpin:

Hi everyone! My name is Dean Halpin and i'm currently a wholesaler/investor in the El Paso area, and i'm looking to buy my first ever rental property, but would definitely need some assistance in the process. Pace Morby is the guy i look up to the most when it comes to creative financing, and i was wondering if i could meet up, or hop on the phone with somebody who knows the game pretty well to grab some advice. 

-I'd rather not go the traditional route with buying just because my W2 isn't exactly the most stable and i'm a full time college student. Any advice would help, thanks!


 Lots of time to buy houses.  If credit is good and you have a ton of cash, then you should buy.  If credit is new or iffy and you don't have a ton of cash in the bank, you should not buy.


 Are you familiar with the creative financing route that i mentioned? No credit is needed. My plan to purchase a home wouldn't be the traditional route. 


 I'm familiar with Pace Morby.  Best of luck to you.

Post: Getting a DSCR Loan - Sounds too good to be true/ Want to Select Recommended Lender

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Quote from @George P.:

I find it may be pretty easy to qualify for a DSCR loan with good credit score and lots of equity - or so
I'm told. I'd like to find a good private/direct lender because brokers may not know what the lender
will accept until you submit everything. I keep reading loan nightmares on TrustPilot.

Can anyone out there recommend a direct lender whose forthright and has good
pricing that you've dealt with and it all came out good? THANKS!

Every big lender that offers DSCR loans are going to sell them off.
A good broker knows where to put your loan after the initial interview.  You're right to have concerns, but we look at every scenario like the borrower is a chip on Plinko (like on The Price is Right).  We drop your information into the top of the Plink board and every peg it hits on the way down moves you closer toward your eventual lender.
Here's an example:
I have a guy right now that is buying 2 properties on the same loan.  He has marginal credit, but decent cash.  I got him a blanket loan, but the rate is terrible (11.25%) because of his credit.
Another guy is buying a single family property in TX and has great credit, it' a 1031 exchange and he has lots of experience.  His rate is 6.75% with a cost of 3 points (1 for a rate buy down and the other two are origination points).
I wouldn't expect the guy with great credit to go with the same lender as the guy with beat up credit and he didn't because I know my lender's guidelines.
All the best
Stephanie

Post: First time Rental Buyer

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Quote from @Dean Halpin:

Hi everyone! My name is Dean Halpin and i'm currently a wholesaler/investor in the El Paso area, and i'm looking to buy my first ever rental property, but would definitely need some assistance in the process. Pace Morby is the guy i look up to the most when it comes to creative financing, and i was wondering if i could meet up, or hop on the phone with somebody who knows the game pretty well to grab some advice. 

-I'd rather not go the traditional route with buying just because my W2 isn't exactly the most stable and i'm a full time college student. Any advice would help, thanks!


 Lots of time to buy houses.  If credit is good and you have a ton of cash, then you should buy.  If credit is new or iffy and you don't have a ton of cash in the bank, you should not buy.

Post: Financing paid off properties ?

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Quote from @Zaid A.:

Hey guys, I’ve been building a portfolio for a few years of commercial and residential properties, it’s been goin great so far until I feel like I’m running out of cash to buy new ones, currently I’m flipping some properties one at a time to make money to buy more rentals, my problem is when I’m done rehabbing I feel like I want to keep them and rent them out! Everything I have is paid off! What’s the best way to pull my money out of them ? I wanna buy a big multi family project! 


Rates have come down a little since this post first came out so you may want to look at a cash out refinance. I don't believe DSCR would be the right way for you to go on this until you've exhausted all of your conventional options (and I'm a DSCR broker/lender).

Post: Seeking Mortgage Options for Fourth Property in Boston/Cambridge Area

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Quote from @Tomas Maira-Litran:

I'm an expat with a good salary paid in euros, already owning three properties in the Boston area and holding two mortgages. I'm looking to finance a fourth property. I have no W-2 income and have been advised to consider DSCR no-ratio loans, but current rates are in the low 9% range, which seems high. Are there any other mortgage options available for someone in my situation?

Low 9's is not bad for a no ratio DSCR loan for a foreign investor.  

Post: Does anyone have experience with DSCR lenders?

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Quote from @Sylvie Kuzminski:

I have used Launch Financial (NOT A DIRECT LENDER) (I posted my thoughts on these guys here if anyone is curious). The DSCR lenders who wrote the actual loans are Lima One and Deephaven Mortgage. I do not want to continue with Launch as a middleman, but when contacting these lenders directly, they won't work with me- I get referred back to Launch.

Anyone have any experience with DSCR lenders themselves? Would be great to get some feedback!


 Hey Sylvie,

Lots of self promotion going on on this thread.  I'll change it up a little bit.

Most DSCR lenders don't have retail arms; some do, but most don't. The job of a broker is to find which lender is going to be the best fit for the borrower and then get that borrower together with the end financing that will give them the best experience. Here' an example:

I have a borrower right now who has challenged credit, is purchasing two properties from the same seller on the same contract, wrapping the value of the two properties together. There are very few lenders that will do that loan, but we're sending his loan to the lender that best fits his situation. If we didn't know the other lender's guidelines, it would be a waste of time for him and us. I have another borrower that has stellar credit and plenty of cash, but the property is just going to break even on the DSCR number, so they have to go to a lender that allows for a 1.0 DSCR (not all of them do) with decent rates.

DSCR is like the wild wild west and you need a broker that knows they myriad of guidelines for each lender.

All the best

Stephanie

Post: Ballooning out of a Hard Money Loan

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Quote from @Mike Musarra:

I'm purchasing a home in a suburb of Cleveland with Hard Money.  My original intention was to flip the property and use the proceeds to help purchase a small multi-family home but am now considering holding the Single Family property as a rental.  

The Hardmoney lender will need ballooned out at 91k in 12 months.  I will not be able to do a cashout refi with a conventional lender for 12 months, and although Fannie and Freddie require a 12 month seasoning period for cashout refi's, it seems most convetional lenders, even in a straight out refinance (with no cash out) require 12 months as a policy.


Does anyone have any recommendations for long term lenders that will balloon me out on a long term loan?


ARV for the property will be about 150k - possibly 170k if converted to a 3 bedroom which is an option I'm exploring.

As they say, Thanks in advance.


 Hey Mike

As others have said, a DSCR loan is your next option when conventional options are exhausted.

90 days from purchase date is the rule of thumb and if you can keep your loan to value at 70% or below, you'll find your best financing.  Maxing out the ltv will cost you money.

Hope that helps

Stephanie

Post: Lender won't let me move the property to my LLC

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Quote from @Stephanie P.:
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Hi!

I just bought my 1st investment property, a brand new home with DR Horton, and used DHI (DR horton lender) for the mortgage, they told me they were going to sell the mortgage and I should wait for that before moving it to the LLC. Now PennyMac, is saying that they won't let me do the change.

I have concerns about tax benefits and liability. I rented to house within 3 weeks and they are paying to the LLC bank account and I am paying the mortgage with the LLC account.

Has anybody dealt with this? Any ideas on how to make this work without having to pay off the mortgage? I'm also looking for a tax lawyer and accountant who can help me with my taxes and this situation.

Thanks


 Just curious.  Did you get an owner occupied loan on this property with the intent of renting it out?

No. Is a conventional loan. 

 Conventional loan means it is backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  Fannie and Freddie do owner occupied and investment loans, but they have different guidelines.  

Did you tell the lender you were going to move into the property and then not move in?


That's not what "Conventional Loan" means. A conventional loan by definition is a loan that is not an insured government loan.

A lot to unpack here after 8 months.
Conventional absolutely does mean a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan.  Read a rate sheet once in a while and you'll see what I mean.  Does it mean "not an insured government loan"?  I guess you could say that, but it would be wrong.  A DSCR loan is not an insured government loan, but it surely isn't considered conventional.
Some would say we're hacks, but most would just say we're calling out mortgage fraud when we see it.  Cooperating with the original lender and having them sell the loan to a new lender won't cure the issue of occupancy or the overall intent to defraud.  One of the stipulations cited skims over the issue, but there's a whole lot more to it than just saying "I want the loan in my LLC now and oh, yeah, I don't live there; Never have, never will."  Read the whole section of the servicing guide, not just the top paragraph.  Not something to "preach" about.

 LOL...sell a loan in the secondary or underwrite one once in a while and you'll see what i mean. Read a regulation or seller servicer guide once in a while and you'll know what i mean. Oh, maybe just read the CFPB definition of conventional loan? You probably will still not know what i mean.


You can't cherry pick the pieces of regulations and portions of the seller's guide and get the full affect. The CFPB does define "conventional loan" as "any mortgage loan that is not insured or guaranteed by the government (such as under FHA, VA or AG programs)", conveniently leaving out the guaranteed money that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac enjoy as pseudo governmental agencies, but no one that does DSCR loans cares what the CFPB calls their loans because they don't govern DSCR.

I'm a broker. I sell DSCR loans to lenders. NONE of them consider DSCR loans conventional. Underwrite loans? I have to underwrite them to each lenders requirements before submission.

I will say I wish you well.  I have loan to submit.