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All Forum Posts by: Sam McPeek

Sam McPeek has started 5 posts and replied 69 times.

Post: First time property analysis in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

@Kyle Palmer Honestly, I would do a duplex rehab again but I'm not sure about the "A". Knowing what I know now, I paid too much for the one I'm in. I'm sure you've pulled the comps, but I think most of the "A" style homes sell for between 165K and 180K (if they are still a duplex) with rent prices ranging between 800-900 per month. If I ever sell mine, I will be lucky to find someone who pays what I have into it. It's at the top end of any "A" that is still a duplex in Richland. That being said there were 680 "A" style homes built originally, so there are lot's of options out there. Not sure on the "B" style, but I think it was around 500 of those built.

My next duplex will probably be a "B" style home where I can add a bedroom and bath in the basement. The 2nd story on the "A" adds a lot of cost...the biggest example of that is siding. Including my garage, that house has over 8K sq. ft. of siding! Here's some other things I would think and look for if I was to buy another one:

  • Windows -The "A" house has 34 total windows (plus basement windows), which is a lot of windows. If they aren't already replaced, replacing them could add up fast. If you look at the pics, none of my windows are in original locations...and they are bigger to meet eggress requirements, but I still have 29 windows including the garage.
  • Asbestos -If it hasn't already been taken out, it's everywhere. It's illegal to do this yourself on a duplex or any investment property. I got around that because my house only had one address when I bought it. Pipe insulation, duct wrap, underside of the kitchen tiles...it's even possibly in the taping compound used on the drywall.
  • Structure Damage -The main thing to look for here is in the basement. Most of the alphabet style homes were built with a half basement/half crawl, with a 2' tall CMU block wall separating the areas. The main structural beam for the house runs right down the center and is post braced off that CMU wall. If someone has dug out the crawl and extended the basement, make sure that the main beam is still sound. I learned the hard way on that, as the beams/posts were shot and the floor was sagging almost 2". I had to add new footing pads, and replace the beams and posts...pretty creepy being in the basement jacking up the house with bottle jacks to make everything level and listening to all the creeking, etc.
  • Oil tanks/boilers -I would make sure all of this is gone, and not still on the property. Some of the houses have converted HVAC, but they kept the boiler and use it as a distribution point. I looks like a huge mechanical octupus in the basement and takes up all the usable room, not worth it. Oil tank clean up is expensive.
  • Flooring -The "A" and "V" style both used Doug Fir T/G flooring. It was never meant to be anything more than a subfloor, but I have heard many people including myself thinking they can restore the hardwood floor. Doug Fir is just way too soft and will most likely be too damaged. I wasted lots of money trying to 'save' mine before I gave up and put carpet down. "B" and several of the other styles used Oak flooring and those would be more worth saving.
  • Chimney -Best to find one that has the Chimneys already gone. These were for the boiler exhaust. They are 3 stories high and go right through the middle of the house. If they are gone, it gives you much more options on kitchen remodel, and bathroom remodel upstairs.
  • Easements -The government originally developed that area of Richland with alleyways, but the current roads were developed later by the city. What that means is that the sewer doesn't always run under the street. On my lot, the sewer runs down one side of the lot, turns in the backyard and runs the whole length of the back yard. I've got 2 manholes in my backyard. That easement (14'-19' wide) affected what I could do with the lot.

If you're ever in the area, shoot me a text or just stop by. I'd love to show you around my place and I can walk you through all the things I learned about the property and the alphabet homes in general.

Post: permits needed for building a fence

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

I would make a visit to the local Building Department and see if they can help you out. I've had good luck with calling the city engineers as well, and talking to them about boundaries. It would also be worth it to talk with the Permitting Department and find out exactly what they require/will accept. I would do all of that before I even thought about shelling out $900 for boundary survey.

Post: Purchasing a property under an LLC

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

Make sure you talk it over with your CPA. Your not really transfering money, you're (as a person) making a capital investment in the LLC (an entity). Defining and doing it correctly with your CPA can save you down the road if you ever wanted the LLC to pay you back your capital investment.

Post: Business Reboot

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

@Chris Bounds Thanks for sharing. I love the perspective on the learning curve of owning the apartment building. Sounds like you might be able to write a blog post about your 16 month experience!

Post: First time property analysis in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

@Kyle Palmer @Matt Kissler  I hear you on the older duplexes being remodeled...and since you mentioned them, I have to brag a little. My wife and I bought our "A" house 3 years ago. Gutted it and added a garage with a room above. Here's a picture of the before and after. We will finally have our rental side done this spring, and we are also building out the room above the garage into another 1/1 unit (entrance at the back of the garage).

Post: First time property analysis in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

@Matt Kissler My feeling from the beginning was that these properties at the price would not work. I used it more for an experiment in talking to owners and analyzing the property. The location is interesting, but the owners of La Verde apts. have really improved that property from where it was several years ago. Also, the mobile home park is made up of mostly newer homes. The positives of the location are that they are half a block away from a city park and there are available community garden beds next door. Sounds like you had the same thought I did on the appreciation.

Out of curiosity, where are the new duplexes? 

Post: First time property analysis in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

@Kyle H. 

I am not planning on living there. I currently live in a duplex that we have remodeled over the last couple of years. I'm not sure I could convince my wife to move again :)

I was under the impression that you didn't need to live there unless it was an FHA or similar type loan. Something else to look into, so thanks for that!

In reality, I would only be making an offer if I can find an investor to partner with. Our personal cash is tied up in finishing our duplex (we are converting to triplex) and getting it rented out.

Post: First time property analysis in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

@Kyle H. Here are the edited numbers with your points taken into account. Not sure I like what it does to the NOI, but it's good to know. Also, as I reran the numbers it cemented that I don't like the $300K price!

Adding in vacancy of 5%, Property Maintenance of 8% and elevating Maintenance to 10%, it brings the NOI down to 20,784

300K Price

NOI -20,784

Cash Flow -6,984

Cap Rate -6.9%

COC Return -11.6%

275K Price

NOI -20,784

Cash Flow -8,184

Cap Rate -7.5%

COC Return -14.9%

Post: First time property analysis in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

@Kyle H. Thanks, you have great points there. Here's what I think on each of your points:

  • Maintenance costs is interesting, as most of the threads I have read can't nail down a percentage number. So I chose the number somewhat arbitrarily. That being said, I think that planning for higher maintenance costs given the age of 2 of the heat pumps is smart and my 4.5% is probably low.
  • I would be managing this myself. It's within a 5 minute drive from my house, and I know the area very well. I also have very good contacts for maintenance issues, having been a contractor previously and currently being an Engineer. In our area, I see Property Management being aroung 8-10%...and it would make sense to add this into the numbers to ensure the deal is still good in the event that I need help in that area.
  • Ahhhh, vacancy...yeah, I'm not sure why I left out that little number especially since I wrote almost an entire paragraph on vacancy rates in our area. Good catch. Doesn't look like I can edit my original post. I'll rework the numbers post the edited numbers below.
  • My thoughts on appreciation pertain to making this a deal that is attractive to a investing partner. It seems that an investor would want to see both cash flow as well as appreciation over time. I don't think there is enough room at $300K to make it attractive to an investor. My focus would be on income stream...but I also want to make money when/if I sell as well.

Thanks for the comments, gives me something to think about.

Post: First time property analysis in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

@Kyle Palmer You are right on with the property. It was listed with Windermere in January, but the are now selling it FSBO. It didn't matter for the deal analysis, but there is actually 2 fouplexes there. Both are identical in the numbers I portrayed above. The other thing that makes it difficult to tell is that unless there are FSBOs I haven't seen, these are the only 2 fourplexes in Richland for sale. What do you think of the deal?