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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 6 posts and replied 27 times.

Post: Gimme your best and final!

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2

I've had banks do this to me as well. Whether it was a cheap ploy to get some more bucks out of me or not is irrelevant, I suppose (since we came in under our maximum on our first property) but I've been considering resubmitting my previous offer the next time a bank gives the "give us your best and final offer" response after an offer, just to see what the reaction's like. Unfortunately with all the talk of banks being chaotic in regards to their decision making process, I may not actually learn anything. :)

Post: What was the most inspiring book you've read?

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2

Rich Dad, Poor Dad inspired me and caused me to look at real estate, but Kiyosaki is long on cheerleading and short on actual methods. A book that I've much more recently read that was inspiring in terms of commercial property was The Armchair Real Estate Millionaire by Hank Levine. It's a very short read and really just a primer on the subject of triple-net leases (not to mention he fails to go into just how badly a commercial triple-net lease can go; unsurprising since he's a broker), but it provides an exit strategy to aspire to after succeeding in residential real estate after reading it and realizing the potential that can be had, I found it to be quite inspirational.

Post: Pete Youngs - Rehab 101

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2

John,

His materials can and will save $1,000 on a project if you apply them, so I won't deny that picking them up at retail is a worthwhile investment particularly to people who don't have any hands-on experience with dealing with contractors yet. Be aware that he gives away a lot of his best material when he's speaking in the group, but there is still enough in the DVDs and CDs to warrant $1,000 in my opinion.

Pete seems to be headed a little more towards traditional guru-dom now though. During his session with us he made fun of the folks charging astronomical prices for coaching and one-on-one training in general but when he was pitching Rehab 101 itself, as incentives he offered a free admission to his 5-day boot camp and... a free six month trial to his personal coaching service. Huh?

Post: Pete Youngs - Rehab 101

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2

I didn't see anything on this guy (there was a brief post on his brother Tony however) so I thought I'd post. Pete's all about the actual rehab process; his half of the guru partnership is not about getting the deals but how to save money in the rehab process. His course retails for $1,200 but he travels around to local REIA meetings and offers it for $1,000 there with an extra incentive or two thrown in. If you don't want the bells or whistles, a used copy of the basic set on Ebay goes for $200ish.

My first impression was that Pete's production quality is low. I'll forgive a lot to get to the meat of the presentation but at least half of his DVDs are of home-movie quality without any significant editing (expect meaningless pauses while he chats inaudibly with somebody in the room on the live DVDs, and the people asking questions are almost always inaudible). His non-live material is a direct copy from his VHS tapes so be prepared for some older material. Pete's either trying to make sure everybody really understands his material or he just ran out of ideas because everything will be repeated several times over the course of his numerous DVDs and CDs. You can get the general idea of what's being said after just watching the Rehab 101 DVD itself and the rest become somewhat optional for a review or to pick up something he may not have touched on.

With the of the production out of the way, how's the material? Pete has some good ideas in spots and some real money-saving tips. I think he tends to take those ideas a little too far and errs on the side of cheapness more than I'd personally be comfortable with. This may be because I'm still a new investor but he seems to do a lot of sweeping under the rug or just touching something up enough to get the property sold. His advice on cutting the price down on contractors is also a little on the shady side. I applaud the idea of getting multiple estimates, but he then has you take the lowest price to three more people to do more comparison shopping. The first three that you worked with has no chance of getting the job; you're just supposed to get their estimates and move on. Perhaps this is widely done but if I was the contractor and knew that these sorts of shenanigans were going on I'd probably be pretty pissed.

Pete's handling of mold is a little suspect to me. When he spoke at our local REIA meeting he actually happened to be opposite a couple of mold professionals. They went up first and talked about mold removal, the proper way to go about it so that you're not running into lawsuit trouble down the road, et cetera. Pete came on and mentioned that he was a mold guy himself and sort of glossed over the rest. When we studied the materials we discovered why; Pete's solution is to use bleach on everything, which was a direct contradiction of the mold professionals' approach (they very clearly said not to use bleach because it doesn't kill the roots, and after the bleach neutralizes you're left with water on the mold which makes it worse in the end).

In the end I feel you have to kind of pick and choose what's actually good money-saving material and what's just plain cheap. I can't speak to the mold issue other than the he said/she said between him and the mold pros, but I think his way could get you in some legal trouble if it can be shown that you were aware of the problem but were just hiding it. I think he needs to polish his work considerably before he charges $1,000 or more for it, but the people snapping it up at that price obviously disagree with me. Get it cheap and used if you can.

Post: My first deal

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2

We'll see if it really takes that long considering that we'll have five people on it plus contractors. The demo work is nearly done and we'll be putting the roof and siding on this week.

As for finding a better deal, I certainly won't deny that it's possible. My major concern at the time was getting started. I didn't want to become one of the people who looked forever and never settled on something. As we learn and grow from this house, we'll be better suited to pick out stronger candidates the next time. Regardless, thank you all for your input. I'm glad to hear all sides of the argument for this place.

Post: My first deal

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2

Thank you to all. We're going to closing today so I'm excited and ready to get started.

Malok: I could probably get $600 for the place if I rented it after we fix it up. If we use the full rehab budget the numbers won't quite work for a rental as-is because of the HELOC that we're using to finance it with a 9.75% interest rate. But after a new appraisal and a refinance it'll start cash flowing. It's not a very pretty deal if we do it that way but it's an acceptable risk to us as a second exit strategy.

Noobdog: No additions or anything like that. I don't have the full list of what needs to be done right in front of me but I can give you the short rundown: (house is about 900 sq. ft.)

Roof needs to be torn off (3 layers on already) and a new one laid on
Siding needs replaced (this neighborhood has siding done in a way that I haven't seen before; on a lot of houses one side is done in wood planks about a foot wide and the other three are vinyl siding).
Ceiling had some water damage in two rooms and there are some cracks that need to be fixed.
The flooring has to go entirely (carpet and kitchen tile).
Kitchen cabinets are in pretty sorry shape, planning on replacing them.
New kitchen appliances (none in the house)
Landscaping work, possibly getting rid of a cluster of small trees that are blocking off one corner of the house with no benefit

When I get home I can provide the full list with what we were estimating for each item. I'd also like to run through the house with a camcorder, not just for insurance and documentation purposes but also so that I might get another pair of eyes to have a look at the property for those who may be willing.

Post: My first deal

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2

Hey all,

After a lot of house inspecting and deal wrangling we're going to closing on our first deal within the next day or two. It's an REO that was on the market about 90 days, a 2/1 house in a neighborhood of mostly 3/1 houses. Comps in the area suggest a selling price of about $60K, maybe $65K on the high end. Our purchase price was $18K and rehab is estimated at $20K.

After realtor fess, holding costs and such I believe we'll come out ahead on this one whether we sell or rent it out. All the same I know we're in for a ride. I owe a lot of this to Bigger Pockets and all the experienced folks here who have shared their wisdom both in the current and archived threads, or I might never have gotten serious enough to get out there, evaluate properties, make offers and come up with this one, so thanks to all the posters freely offering their experience and making this a worthwhile forum to visit.

Post: Newbie needs help on first deal

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2

$5K earnest money without an inspection and only a 15% maximum discount off of ARV after repairs are factored in? And why are these people in such a big hurry to close? There may be something major that they're trying to foist off on you. Even without that in mind though I don't think this is going to be a very good deal. I'd let this one go by and keep looking.

Post: Negotiation Tips for buyers and sellers - REMOVED By User

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2

Please give it a rest. You guys don't like each other; that's clear. The others have it right though. Regardless of what amount of information you both have, the lack of professionalism in dealing with one another makes it more difficult to discern what is useful and what is an attack and, ultimately, does some damage to the credibility of both of you. I'm sure you both make money at what you do. Why not just say 'here's another way' instead of 'your way is wrong' and let the reader decide for themselves?

Post: My market is crashing hard

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  • QA Engineer
  • Sunnyvale, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by "TC":
My market has always been bad compared to, but with recent factory worker buy outs and layoff's, a ton of homes have been given to the banks. I drive around and my mouth waters. Homes sitting vacant while contractors break in and still the copper and siding. Its very bad if you are trying to sell in my area.

So that's a common theme then. :) I've already walked through several houses missing siding and copper and thinking 'What's the deal?' Copper I could see, but siding seems a little odd. Talk about some cheap folks!

Around my own area (Dayton, OH) it seems like the area is flooded with properties. We didn't really have a bubble or anything, but jobs are leaving the area faster than they're coming in and the foreclosures are rolling in at a fairly rapid rate. The folks I'm partnering with keep turning each house down with a 'Yeah, but we wouldn't be able to ever sell it' and I'm trying to turn them around on that idea. After all, would they rather wait until there's lots of competition to buy every property before they purchase?