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All Forum Posts by: Seth Holmen

Seth Holmen has started 4 posts and replied 91 times.

Post: Architect in Orland Park

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70
Quote from @Chris P.:

Hey David,

Do you have any recs for Orland? I'm closing on a house in1 month in Orland Hills and was looking for an architect as well as a GC to do some remodeling.


 Chris, 

Let me know if I can help you at all. I'm licensed in Illinois and do work in that area.  

Post: How To: Cash out 1-4 unit Property

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:

@Seth Holmen thanks for posting.  Nice graphic.  Hopefully that didn't take to long to create but I think I'm tracking you.

Basically the outline of this method is if you are purchasing a property with cash. The cash can come from a HELOC but it would first be put into the LLC bank account type of thing. That way the LLC is still the lender. And to be clear, this property is not purchased by the LLC. The property is still purchased by you, but the LLC is the lender.

Now if you are using a combination of things this same strategy/concept can still be used but you'll need to file a 2nd lien for your 2nd source of money. So if hard money was your first source...and your LLC was your second source, then the HML would have a 1st lien and your LLC would be a 2nd lien. Same if that second source came from a somewhere else like a family member. Keep in mind that this is a Fannie/Freddie loan type we are speaking to. So their rules for 2nd liens do require that they are filed at the time of closing and reflected on the HUD. No wiggle room on the 2nd lien at all here. Must be filed at closing. Basically this is referred to as a "purchase money 2nd lien"...but with it you can refinance right away, no waiting.

Hope all of that makes sense.

Thank you for the clarification. Has there been a further conversation around the LLC lending that you can link me to? Any local CPA or Attorneys in Illinois on here? I'm curious about the movement of funds from a Heloc to and LLC and then back. Or more so if I use extended family as my funding source, how they move funds in and out of an LLC. There must be some tax implications to be aware of here. Does my name need to be disassociated with the LLC for the underwriters not to get concerned?

Post: Architect in Orland Park

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70

What are you trying to accomplish? I'm doing work in Orland Park now. 

Post: How To: Cash out 1-4 unit Property

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70

@Andrew Postell Thank you for keeping this article and thread active. It's been very useful. I had a couple questions and apologies if you have answered these somewhere in the 17 pages of comments. I did my best to search them first. 

I made a little flow chart for my specific situation. I wanted to run this buy you and see if I'm understanding a few things correctly. 


I have the ability to make cash offers from 2 different sources. 1, being leveraging my personal equity and funds. 2, being borrowing money from a family loan.  

The first question is on the Option 1 of using an LLC hard money loan and traditional refinance. I'm assuming this only works if the property is 100% purchased through the LLC? If it was 50% with a Heloc and 50% with hard money then the refinance would only refund the hard money loan that filed the deed correct? Could the Heloc somehow contribute to the LLC and loan the money back? It seems like too many complicated steps that gets into a tax nightmare if not 100% with the LLC. Is there a second creative way I'm not seeing?

The second question is on Option 2. Can the LLC lend money for 50% of the purchase price and be considered "verified funds"? These would be funds that do not have my name attached and have not been sitting in my account for 3+ months.

Post: Cash purchase to Long-Term Debt. - Illinois

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Brandon Plombon:

Most real estate loans will take 30-45 days to close as the banks need to order title work and an appraisal to determine that you actually own or will own the property and to determine that the value of the property is there which is being used as their collateral. If you are looking to put this on a residential conventional loan there will be more restrictions than on the commercial side of the bank, the downfall on the commercial side would be higher rates and retaining 20% equity. Sometimes on the commercial side you can find that they won't require seasoning, for example the bank I work at has no seasoning requirement.

 Thanks Brandon. So under this scenario could I use a Heloc on my primary residence to purchase the rental property with cash and then refinance into a conventional loan? There wouldn't be seasoning? 

Post: Cash purchase to Long-Term Debt. - Illinois

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Harjeet Bhatti:

@Seth Holmen You can cash out under delayed financing exception. No waiting period required but the property should be in livable condition. 

What type of program is this? Still under a residential conventional financing or is that commercial? I would be interested in talking to someone about this. 

Post: Cash purchase to Long-Term Debt. - Illinois

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70

I lost out on a 4-unit building with a conventional financing offer. I need to refine my strategy and provide a stronger "cash" offer on the next one. I have a few ways to pull this off but I don't fully understand the timing and loan criteria. Any help here?

I have the ability to offer cash in a few different scenarios. 

1. Hard money from family. 

2. Home equity loan and temporarily pulling funds from IRA or 401K.

My big concern is how can I transition a cash purchase into long-term debt and how long would that take?

A cash-out refinance in an obvious one, but the banks seem less excited about doing that around here and require you to keep more equity in the deal and the interest rates are at a premium over a conventional loan. Also, some are saying they want you to hold the property for 6 months to a year before the refinance. Anything that can happen faster? 

Are there any other creative ways to make this work?  I don't want to keep the cash locked up for more than 6 months. 30-45 days would be ideal.  

Post: Treehouse Vacation Rental

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Sue Hough:

I am incorporating several tree houses in a development I am working on and because they are such a unique experience I have found every tree house experience is rented out 12 months in advance and attracting top dollar.  You can search your local area to establish comps through visiting various short term vacations sites (Verbo and Airbnb).  The market is very impressive with a complete investment pay down in less than 36 months.

Good luck!

Where are these treehouse projects located? I'm an architect in the western suburbs. I have 12 acres of forest and was considering building 1 or 2 treehouse rentals. 

Post: Treehouse Airbnb Design and Cost

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70

Following. I'm an architect in Illinois and considering building an treehouse rental. 

Post: Lumber Price comparison

Seth HolmenPosted
  • Architect
  • St. Charles, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 70

I built a house in 2017 and looked back at what I paid for a few components. Here is the actual amount I paid vs. the same thing today.