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All Forum Posts by: Sean Wilson

Sean Wilson has started 5 posts and replied 45 times.

Post: 2200SF 4Br 3Ba All Brick Home - Old Hickory, TN $475k

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44

Located 12 miles from the Nashville Airport (BNA) and 15 miles from downtown Nashville's tourist district, this completely renovated 4BR/3BA home is walking distance to Old Hickory Lake, Sam's Sports Grill, and Blue Turtle Bay Marina. The house features refinished 1965 hardwood floors upstairs, as well as tile and carpet downstairs. The spacious eat-in kitchen has granite counter tops and SS appliances. The huge master suite features 2 closets, tiled bathroom, and 2nd floor 12x20 private deck. Additional features include ceiling fans throughout, attic storage, and Pella energy efficient windows. It was fully renovated in 2015, including a new roof. Large storage shed conveys with the property.

The second story deck is in the process of being re-built and will be finished prior to closing. The downstairs bedroom and living room are the only rooms that have carpet, and it could use replaced. This can be negotiated if desired prior to close.

I've owned this property as a rental for years and am offering it to the Bigger Pockets community at a discount prior to listing on MLS. Forum rules say that I'm not allowed to post addresses or contact info, so please message me for that information. Licensed agents, I am happy to work with your buyers if you want to share this as a pocket listing, just please add your commission to the price you share with them. I have existing agent relationships and am not looking for seller representation.

Post: How to set up the terms when someone is acting as GC for your own project?

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44

@Neel Patel

As someone who carries a GC license in 8 states, including AL, I can tell you that allowing someone to use your license is one of the fastest ways to receive a board summons and potentially lose your license.  People do it all the time, and it is one of the most common causes for disaplinary action from the contracting board.  In addition to your concern about them pulling their license, you'll have to add the risk of the GC receiving a suspension or losing their license, especially if they are doing this for multiple people.

Post: Should I give up on real estate?

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44

@Peyton From

If you want a second opinion/price on the septic repair, shoot me a message.  There is only one company I trust with my septic needs around Chattanooga, and I'll be happy to share their contact info.

Post: Subject To/Seller Finance-Hard Money

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44

@Ashton Travis Nashville is a challenging market to flip in, so most of us who do hard money lending in this area require a higher position lien, experience in the local market, cash reserves, and some kind of skin in the game.  

Alternatively, this sounds like a great opportunity for a cashflowing rental.  If that's an avenue you're willing to explore, I may be able to help. Feel free to reach out if you want to discuss this scenario.

Post: Are Gatlinburg, TN current prices already spelling negative cashflows for New buyers?

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44

Chattanooga has been on the "best places to invest" list for a couple years now, but I caution you to do your own research.  That AirDNA ranking brought a lot of investors into this market looking for a big payout, and when the market shifted it left a lot of them scrambling due to over supply.  The end of 2022 saw a significant slowdown that many weren't expecting, and inexperienced investors and some money hungry PMs were dropping rates on properties that were getting over $200/nt to less than $100/nt.  For example, here is a 2Br townhouse for $57/nt ($74/nt after taxes and fees) during a common spring break week: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/4...

As a result, it has left those who bought at the peak of the market hurting.  I know of several properties that are for sale because the owners were losing money and are trying to get out.  I'm not saying it's a bad market.  It's been good to me over the past 5 years, but please do your research.  This goes for both LT and ST rentals.  For short terms, especially dig into local restrictions, nightly rates, and occupancy levels for similar properties.

Post: My experience with Vacasa - Buyout scenario

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44
Quote from @Jerry W.:

@Sean Wilson, thank you for taking the time to post this. I constantly get messages and advertisements from VACASA. They had a few listings locally in my tiny town and they went very poorly. I saw they had some banned dates from cancelling and a review or 2 of not having cleaned the unit. I am trying to move my STR business forward and just getting to the stage that I need to buy a property management software and pricing software and even an automatic keyless entry system. @Lyndsey Garza, if you have any suggestions I would appreciate it.  I began experimenting with STRs back in 2016 and didn't even make expenses, but through trial and error I now have 5 and they are doing well and have a house two bought that I plan to fix up as time and money allows.

 @Jerry W. definitely jump into dynamic pricing software.  I don't have a recommendation for which one particularly, but when my PM went from weeknight & weekend/holiday pricing to dynamic it helped both occupancy and revenue.  This was a few years ago, but we saw a 50%+ rate increase on the peak nightly rates compared to what would have been there for just the standard rate based on day of the week.

For locks, I had to buy my own when I switched to the new property manager.  I chose the Schlage Encode Wifi locks, primarily because I can give the PM access, either of us can program them remotely, and they have a key for backup. They are pricey, but the locks themselves are solid.  The app is a little glitchy and often won't connect to the lock immediately, which makes changing codes annoying at times.  Also, the batteries have to be changed about once a month.  Can't say I'd recommend them just based on those two factors, but maybe others have had a different experience or have a recommendations for a different lock.

Post: My experience with Vacasa - Buyout scenario

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44
Quote from @Collin Hays:

I own what I would term a "boutique" PM, meaning that for most, it isn't the right fit.  Yet I get solicitation letters from VACASA a couple of times per year wanting to purchase us. I've never responded, but I've always thought "I would never subject my homeowner clients to that."  

 @Collin Hays Thank you for not considering selling.  The amount that was rumored that Vacasa paid for this local company was substantial, especially when you consider it ended up being nothing more than a book of business.  They bought but didn't keep any intellectual property including the name, website, etc.  After 6 months, the employees were all gone too, either by voluntary attrition or layoff.  I get the temptation, and I don't fault the prior owners personally for making a business decision that made sense for them.  However, I would never do business with them again now that I understand their priorities.  That said, thank you for having your clients priorities aligned with your own.  You've got my respect!

Post: My experience with Vacasa - Buyout scenario

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44
Quote from @Lisa Marie:

@Sean Wilson Thank you for sharing this.  I am going to DM you and get more insight.  My husband and I have a beach house and it's managed by Vacasa, after they bought the previous mom-and-pop PM company exactly a year ago. The mom-and-pop PM wasn't that great either, but Vacasa was even worse. We have been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but over the last year, our patience is wearing thin.  We are now trying to decide between going to a different (smaller) PM or self-managing.  I know what most of people on this forum think, but I have always felt that my personal life and leisure is far more important than saving $15k a year in PM commission.  We own the beach house not to make money, but to protect our assets, i.e. diversification, so we are totally fine with a 5% return (similar to a conservative mutual fund) and want the investment to be as much hands-free as possible.  However, if we are going to make a change on PM, I want to do some research and evaluate the 2 options, and trying to be open and willing to change my mind.

@Lisa Marie 

No problem, hopefully I can help guide you through any hurdles.

Post: My experience with Vacasa - Buyout scenario

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44

Hey Bigger Pockets community, I’ve been a long time member, but rarely post. Last year I went through a transition from a small local vacation rental management company to Vacasa as a result of a buyout, and I’m hoping this information will be helpful to others who may find themselves in that situation. Fair warning, this is quite a long post.

A little background – I’ve been doing long term BRRRRs for over a decade and decided to get into STRs about 4 years ago. I partnered with a boutique local vacation rental company that had ~20 units at the time, and they helped me get ramped up in a relatively small town by sharing their connections for everything from excavating to decorating.

Over the next 3 years, I expanded to 4 SF STRs and their company expanded to over 50 units under management. As they grew, some things about the company were drastically changing, and it was evident something was in the works behind the scenes. At the time, I didn’t know exactly what, but in May or June of 2022, I received the phone call that they were selling the business to Vacasa.

I’m not the knee jerk reaction type, so I figured I’d ride it out and see what happens. Vacasa brought in their “transition team” to retrain the local staff and take over communication with the owners. They had a sales guy, Jordan who has since been laid off, that promised all kinds of things that they were not able to deliver. The biggest one being that their national presence and state of the art technology would drastically increase bookings.

July 1 was the official cutover date, and what resulted was the exact opposite of their pitch. The difference in price to book any of my properties on July 1 verses June 30 was an increase of over 30%, all of which went to Vacasa. Those cost increases were raises to the cleaning fee, implementing a nightly hot tub fee, implementing a nightly damage waiver fee, making the pet fee nightly, and adding a 12% booking fee which was on top of the nightly rate and the other fees. That’s right, a fee on top of a fee. My understanding from others who still have units under management with Vacasa is that the booking fee has recent increased to 15%.

At the time, I had recently brought online a 4br sleeps 11. As a result, June was my best month ever from a revenue and profitability standpoint, and the booking trend for July was on track to beat it. Immediately after the July 1 go live date, my new bookings came to a screeching halt. After a couple weeks of dismal bookings, Vacasa’s solution was to lower the nightly rate, while keeping their fees the same.

During this time, I had many conversations with the transition team, and they understood the impact this had owners. Unfortunately, they claim that the fee structure is company policy and that it is standard across the country. While it appeared that their goal in purchasing this local company was to add fees on top of the already high management percentage, they were willing to negotiate if I would sign a new contract with them. They verbally offered 20% commission and I got to keep 100% of the pet fees (please note this may or may not be typical, and was indicated it was based on my portfolio size). When they sent over the contract, it was for 23% and 100% of the pet fees. I felt like this was another bait and switch.

On August 10th, I turned in my termination notice. My contract that Vacasa bought from the local PM required a 30-day notice and either I honor the existing bookings beyond that or pay them the commission on cancelled bookings. Those remaining booking were made prior to Vacasa taking over, so they were at good nightly rates without all of the additional fees. For that reason, I elected to keep them.

The transition from Vacasa started very smoothly. They were surprisingly accommodating considering I had just terminated their contract. As with most property managers, they own the listings and the pictures, but given some updates I wanted to make for the two 3-year-old properties, I didn’t even ask for their pictures. They were flexible with blocks for maintenance and staging for the new ones, and one of their maintenance guys even helped me swap out furniture in one of the units. Fortunately I had scratched the part of the contract about them owning the property names, so I got to keep those. Subsequent people have left and kept their property names, so I don’t think they are pursuing those who do even if they have a contractual right to do so.

After the 30-day period was up is when things started to get a little messy. I don’t think it was deliberate, just a result of staff turnover and general degradation of quality. I changed the locks, and gave them codes for each guest. On more than one occasion, they gave the guests the code to the old locks, and when the guest called, the person they talked to had no idea why it wasn’t working. This resulted in guests standing around outside for over an hour, and in one case getting impatient and breaking into the emergency lockbox for a key to the house. On another occasion late at night, the national call center couldn’t get ahold of the local rep, and didn’t bother calling me. Instead, they moved the guest to a different property, and attempted to deduct the revenue from my account. After several calls and emails, that was credited back.

Housekeeping took a turn for the worse as well. On two occasions they folded and left damp towels for the next guests. Fortunately the new PM’s quality check caught one, and I happened to be there changing locks and caught the other. On another occasion, a housekeeper literally took the pillows out of one of the properties, and they have no idea why or what she did with them. The bedding and towel inventory at transition wasn’t what I had procured for the properties, even the new one that had only been online for 6 months. They were clearly mixing linens, so I got worn out towels and old stained linens that had to be replaced. After that, I refused to allow Vacasa to do the housekeeping on any remaining reservations. They gave me a credit for each remaining booking, and the new cleaners took care of housekeeping between guests.

Overall, I can say that I am glad I terminated with Vacasa as quickly as I did. After evaluating several options, I elected to sign up with a newer smallish local property management firm. I know there is a big push in these forums to self-manage, but I don’t have the bandwidth and there is too much opportunity cost to consider that. At the same time, I realize that no property management company is going to care about my properties as much as I do, but I picked one that focuses on quality, maintenance, and guest satisfaction over high occupancy and driving profitability. I did look at partnering with a co-host, but there are some liability and redundancy benefits that come from having an insured company with multiple people on staff.

While it took a few months to get everything back up to speed with new reviews after the transition, I ultimately had my best month ever in October of 2022. In November I brought my newest project online, a 4br sleeps 13, and I'm cautiously continuing to grow the STR portfolio.

As for Vacasa in that area, they recently laid off all of the original office staff from the prior property management company. They are down to less than 25 units showing available this coming summer, which is less than half of what they started with last July. That is even after bringing some new properties in that were not part of the original portfolio that they purchased. The owners of the original property management company sold their two properties, but Vacasa is still managing them for the new owner.

Hopefully this is helpful. If you find yourself in a similar situation, please do not hesitate to reach out. I’ll do my best to help anyone who is going through this or has questions.

Post: Nashville

Sean WilsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Nashville/Chattanooga
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44
Originally posted by @Robert S.:

Does anyone have a contact that can verify the load capabilities and support requirements of engineered trusses that are in a home I'm flipping in Springfield, TN. I want to verify what I'm being told about opening up the main living space.

I'll shoot you a PM.  There is a local truss company I use to do load design for when I remove walls.