All Forum Posts by: Sean McKee

@Robin Krieb I'll definitely still invest in Chicago/Cook County, but the deal will have to be the right one.  If I'm going to have deal with all the additional regulations and headaches that have come out of COVID, I will demand a higher rate of return.  The Chicagoland is still a pretty strong rental market with opportunities to find deals. I have however, put Indiana on my radar. The landlord/tenant laws appear to be much more favorable.

@Adah N. it's definitely can be a difficult situation when doing large rent increases.  I've only dealt with properties that are in rough shape, so it makes it a little easier when having to ask people to leave.  The buildings had some problem tenants (one had drug dealers), and they were the easiest to deal with.  I paid them to leave and they were gone in weeks. They were happy to get paid and I was happy to have them gone. This created vacant units that I could work on almost immediately. The other tenants I explained as empathetically as I could the units were in very bad shape and presented health/safety issues. Problems like rats in subfloor, mold everywhere in bathroom, rotted subfloors that you could stick your foot through with enough pressure, etc.  The units would need to be made uninhabitable for weeks if not longer to bring up to standard.  The old owner had allowed these issues to occur and they now needed to be fixed.  I said they can take a few months to find alternative housing , offered to pay for some of the moving costs, and I'd fixed any immediate safety issues.

The bottom line is that units were in terrible shape, some had code violations, furnaces giving off excess carbon monoxide, and that these issues could not be addressed with them living in the units. I tried doing renovations with one tenant in the unit.  Their unit wasn't that bad, but needed some plumbing work.  Needless to say they complained the whole time, even though they specifically requested the work to be done. So I would not recommend it.

This approach won't work for everyone and frankly your situation seems different than mine.  If the units are in decent shape, they might not take the increase as well. They will see it as price gauging and unnecessary.  I agree with Nathan G. that doing gradual increase might just insult them more. You might want to just give them notice about the large increase.  I'd personally give them at least 3 months to find other housing, but that's up to you.

@Adah N. I actually just purchased a building like that.  It needed a lot of TLC.  Which explained the low rents.  I don't see why not, as long as your market analysis confirms the rent increase, you've taken account the repairs, and your willing deal with the current tenants. You'd be surprised how far some people allow rents to lag the market. The owners usually don't want to make the repairs and are willing to accept significantly below market rents.

@David Levin that's Chicago.  Cook County is now 10 dollar late fee for the first 1,000.  It's definitely ridiculously low.  

Thanks everyone for their input. I was curious to know what others might be doing.  It is definitely a tough decision on my part. The rental market is pretty strong in my market and I have some units that are a little under market. Normally I would prefer to go up gradually, but COVID definitely gave me a slightly different perspective. However it could end up costing me more with turnover expenses.  So I will have to make sure the increases offset the losses from turnover.

Hello BP,

Who here plans to raise rents more than they normally would due to losses caused by either the national eviction ban or local ones?  

I've been fortunate to have kept my losses relatively low given the circumstances, however they were probably more than if it were normal times. I do plan on increasing more than I normally. This obviously will depend on market conditions.

I am curious to know what others are doing.

You probably need to get a different lender. Up to 4 units is considered fine for conventional financing. I've bought two 4 unit buildings using conventional financing, and used conventional to refinance a seller note on another 4 unit.

Are you using a local bank?

@Jay Hinrichs I agree with the negative bias's that some professions will have no mater what. Whatever term we end up using, this will never change.  I was called a slumlord for not having on site laundry, even though that is very common for my market. There's absolutely nothing wrong with my units. So while annoying, I accept it as part the role I'm in.

The problems start however when these negative perceptions feed into legislation. Whether it's eviction moratoriums or limits on tenant screening, legislators have the political leeway to get away with it. We as "landlords" are outnumbered by tenants and people sympathetic towards tenants. So politicians don't really have to worry about offending their voter base. COVID was the prefect storm for some of this resentment to turn into legislation. I understand where Laura is going with this and the frustrations I'm sure many of us have had for more than a year now. While I don't think we will ever get rid of the negative perceptions, I do think we can lessen some of the fallout and make some laws more balanced.

But ultimately this can be risky business, and it comes with the territory.

@Dan L. I understand the electric sub metering, however do you have to submeter the heat?  I have radiant heat in one building and have been able to factor the heat into the rent amounts.  I put a lock on the thermostat and set it to 70. It pretty expensive to redo the heating system.  It all depends on your market, but radiant heat is fairly common in mine.

@Laura Guy this is an awesome project you are working on. Unfortunately being a landlord your pretty much seen as the bad guy no matter what. Anyone getting into this business should understand that from the very beginning. I'll keep my response to the purchasing of property and not developing/construction. 

We as real estate investors manage, maintain, improve, and even add to the housing stock . I often hear that landlords/housing providers offer no real service or contribute anything to society. That we sit around , do absolutely nothing, and collect money.  What they fail or care to realize is that a lot of investors buy properties that are in bad shape, and need a lot of work to get them into acceptable condition. Often investors take on huge risks, put up substantial capital, and spend countless hours to make the property what it is. And even if the property was bought ready to go from day one, it still has to be maintained and managed. There's a lot of work that goes unseen by the wider public and this unfortunately feeds into the idea that we are simply leeches.

As far as government involvement I can really only speak from a housing providers perspective. We have witness for over a year what happens when the general public opinion is negative against landlords.  Elected officials were essentially given free reign to impose one-sided moratoriums that favored the tenants and offered little relief for the landlord(The rental aid coming in comes with strings attached). In my area  restrictive "tenant" protections were put in place that make it harder to do business.  Government officials continue to implement regulations in the name of protecting tenants without any understanding of how it makes housing providers job unnecessarily more difficult. All these regulations force us to become more restrictive in tenant selection criteria and end up harming the very people they are meant to protect. Tenants certainly deserve protections but they should be balanced with the housing providers needs a well. Bad actors in the housing industry should be dealt with harshly without making us all suffer.