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All Forum Posts by: Sean Gover

Sean Gover has started 14 posts and replied 109 times.

Post: Drop the price to sell?

Sean GoverPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Corrales, NM
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 28

Thanks Aaron.

Post: Drop the price to sell?

Sean GoverPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Corrales, NM
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 28
Originally posted by @Aaron Mazzrillo:

Apparently nobody here really understands sales. Dropping the price is the worst strategy. It makes you look foolish and sends the wrong signals to potential buyers who will now offer even less because you have just shown your cards.

Let's look at the economics of a house sale;

We have a buyer who is going to most likely get maximum leverage from a lender at an unprecedented (and absurd) 3-4% interest rate.

An agent looking to make highly taxable earned income (the real loser in this whole scenario). 

The seller who is looking for a hassle free and quick sale.

So, you drop the price $5,000 because your house isn't selling and you think this marketing 'strategy' is going to do the trick. Let's pretend you get an offer at your new asking price (but you won't. You'll get one an additional $5K less). The buyer closes and the mortgage payment is $22.45 less per month (3.5% rate) than if he/she paid full price. An amount that isn't even a consideration when home shopping. The agent makes $125 less. Again, not an amount that will kill a transaction. You make $5,000 less. A significant dent in your net profit. Ouch!

Let's look at this from another perspective. Agents are highly unethical people. They are also greedy pigs. Most suck at what they do and try to live off the 5-6 houses they sell each year. A pathetic income. What if, instead of giving away a large chunk of your profit which you should only do as an absolute last resort, we increase the commission (bribe if you will) from 3% to the selling agent to 3.5%. Instead of giving away $5K, you give away an additional $1,645. That is $3,355 more for your pocket.

Now, that lazy, greedy, sucks at her/his job real estate agent looks through listings on Friday morning preparing for the house showings to be done on Saturday and sees 2%, 2.5%, 2.5%, 3%, 2.5% and then your 3.5% commission pops up. Honey stop the car! (I effing hate that stupid, stupid marketing gimmick.) Which house do you think that agent is going to show? Which house do you think that agent is going to push onto their buyer and convince them that it is THE house they should be offering on. I'll go one step further and say that they might not even show any other houses or really bad houses and then bring them to your castle and say something lame and cheesy like, "Well, this one is a bit out of your budget, but it is truly THE BEST priced house on the market today. It probably is already in escrow, but let's go take a look just in case it is still available."

I typically increase my commissions by as little as a 1/4 %. I just raised one last Thursday (always the day to do price decreases or commission changes so it shows up on Friday's searches as "new") and guess what I got in my inbox on Monday morning? Full price offer on a house that is in a very challenging area. 

This is how you do sales and it works like a charm. Take advantage of what the market gives you - greedy, lazy, sucky agents. Pay them more for their suckiness. Pander to their laziness and watch your listings fly off the shelf.

 Aaron, have you had any issues from your Agent with a buyer agent getting a larger % than they get?

Post: Cash offer on rental or flip

Sean GoverPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Corrales, NM
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 28

Good luck Haley.  FYI, I recently purchased a foreclosure that had 140k left on the mortgage for 117500 and they replaced the septic system.  So the above advice is correct.  Don't be overly concerned by the banks number.  Only be concerned with your numbers.  If they numbers don't work for you..move on to the next one.

Post: Cash offer on rental or flip

Sean GoverPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Corrales, NM
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 28

Purchase for 80K with a retail of 110-115k?  You need a new roof, bathroom and paint.  After commission and closing costs I don't think you make any money here.  How much will the roof be?

Post: New investor in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Sean GoverPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Corrales, NM
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 28

Hi Yangjee,

I have not read any books.  Just read a lot of internet stuff and watched a lot of videos.  I have a co-worker who has done 3 house hacks and I get a lot of info from him.  

Thank you for responding and good luck with your hunt.

Sean

Post: New investor in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Sean GoverPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Corrales, NM
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 28
Originally posted by @David Torres:

Awesome Job!  The first one is the hardest to do.  If you need any help, feel free to reach out.  Post up pictures after it sells :)

The City of Rio Rancho is a PITA to deal with.  However, if you play by the rules and are respectful it is not too bad.

 Thanks David.  I don't know what the etiquette is around here on listings so I didn't post it in my original message.  If I get it closed I'll try and remember to post it after.

Post: New investor in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Sean GoverPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Corrales, NM
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 28
Originally posted by @Isaac Ramos:

Hi @Sean Gover,

Welcome! I'm just getting started up on this site too. Those numbers don't seem too bad to me at all (if it in fact sells at 185k), especially for Rio Rancho. For quick flips like that, my team and I usually shoot for 20% ROI, which is what we need for it to make sense accounting for our investors, you're pretty dang close!

How did you find the process in Rio Rancho?  We've stayed away from there after a bad experience with the city (dumpster monopoly, weekly inspections, difficulty permitting, etc.)

Hopefully we cross paths someday.

Isaac Ramos

PIJ Properties

 Thanks for the welcome Isaac.  I think the 185K is the high end.  175 -180k is probably more likely and after doing some research I probably should have listed about 5K lower.   I'm getting traffic but no offers yet.  The holidays are a tough time it seems.

Didn't have any real issues in RR with the remodel.  Most was repair and cosmetic work.  We had an inspector drop by one day but there were no issues.  We didn't do anything that would require a permit.   I'll keep your input in mind if I do another one up there that needs permitting.   Thanks

Post: New investor in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Sean GoverPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Corrales, NM
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 28
Originally posted by @Marc C.:

Hi, Sean, 

We have at least 3 meetup groups for investors:

A new one is the Mastermind Group for experienced investors. Search Meetup.com for "New Mexico Real Estate Mastermind Group". Meets first Saturday of every month at 10am at a member's property or flipping project. 

Between these three, you will have tons of opportunity to network, online and offline, in our area. Please join us. 

Marc C.,

Santa Fe

Thanks Marc. I found your Mastermind meetup page and signed up there.  I have a bit of a crazy work schedule but I'm gonna try and make the next meeting you guys have if it lines up with a day off.

Post: New investor in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Sean GoverPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Corrales, NM
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 28

Hello all,

I'm a new investor who stumbled across BP while doing research online.

I'm someone who thought about "flipping" for many years and have recently pulled the trigger.  Bought a home (foreclosure) with a partner in November in Rio Rancho and after 3 weeks construction have it on the market.  It was an all cash purchase.  My partner is a general contractor.  He brought about 40% of the cash to the deal along with the labor and I brought the remaining 60% with some personal labor (mostly yard work.) 

Bank had the house listed at 130k and we settled on a purchase price of 117k along with the bank replacing the septic system at their cost.  We have 25K in rehab costs and are listing at 185K.   After reading through the site I see this is probably a smaller margin than more investors go for.  My partner and I kind of instinctively knew this but both of up agreed that it's a learning experience and if we make less than usual it is worse the cost.  

Wish us luck on a quick sale.

I also own a 3 bedroom townhouse that I have rented out for the past 10 years.  This has been a passive rental.  I wasn't really looking at as a real money making venture.  Just decided to keep it when my wife and I bought a new house.  Figured we keep renting it as long as it wasn't costing us any money. 

My main interests are in flipping and possibly doing some BRRRR.

Looking forward to getting to know other BP'ers here , especially local ones.

Sean