All Forum Posts by: Scott Johnson

I have confirmed that, due to a lack of meeting of the minds which is required for a legal contract, there is in fact no contract. 

Remember, I sent a signed and amended the agreement on November 28th, sent it to them for signature, received confirmation of their receipt, wired funds, requested multiple times they send me the fully executed agreement, never received a fully executed copy back from them and finally was questioned by them yesterday as to why I altered the agreement (meaning there was no meeting of the minds since it's therefore proven that they didn't even look at it).

I have rescinded my offer to enter into a contract with Estate Legal for lead generation services and am now seeking a full refund, including my cost of wiring the funds. 

Depending on how this progresses, I may be making the North Carolina Attorney General aware of the situation.

Hope this helps! Learning a lesson for all of us! 💪🏻 That lesson:

DO NOT WIRE FUNDS UNTIL THERE IS A FULLY EXECUTED AGREEMENT BETWEEN PARTIES THAT CONFIRMING THERE IS AN ENFORCEABLE CONTRACT.

I did confirm that in North Carolina, per the Statute of Frauds, any agreement lasting a year or more must be express, in writing and delivered to both parties, along with consideration (which I remitted via wire). 

As I stated above, please exercise caution and make sure fully executed documents are received prior to wiring funds.

I was actually attempting to remove in consideration of their actually responding to me. Funny enough, though, I just received said email, but it's more eluding to the fact that's the route they may attempt to take.

What's interesting is that I sent them the referral agreement with my signature and subsequently wired the money. Definitely a bad move on my part. I just put too much trust in them.

To date, I have not received an agreement with their signatures (fully executed), although I've asked for it multiple times to date.

They sent a PDF agreement for review and gave me a deadline to sign, which I believe was a Saturday. I was not sent a Docusign, so in lieu of that I amended the agreement so it stated the terms that were agreed upon and sent it in, as they have a boilerplate agreement they send out. From that point, onboarding began and the silence ensued...

For those who have received the Docusign that was already signed by the company and moved forward from there, there may be no issue. 

I'm sure they're legitimate company, but investors should just watch their 6 and make sure the process follows this order:

- Docusign (fully executed)

- Wire Money

- Follow Up consistently

In my situation, the company failed to send a Docusign while also setting a deadline for signing was communicated. I have a feeling it was an internal "ball drop" that turned out to be very unacceptable.

Fair enough. Best people stay informed anyway. I'll just post updates. 

@Moderators, I'd appreciate it if you would delete this post. The situation is being rectified. 

PLEASE BE ADVISED

I am in talks with Estate Legal to rectify this situation. They may be proving to me that they are, in fact, not a scam.

To date, two BiggerPockets members have reached out to me. One paid and signed up for the aforementioned service on December 20th, and the other one has been sent the docusign and is considering signing up. 

Unless someone can prove otherwise, I’m fairly certain I was just scammed out of $3,400 by a supposed “Lead Provider.” I’m sharing my story so everyone can be aware and hopefully avoid the same experience.

I received a call from one of my ads that targets probate clients. The caller, William Silva, claimed to be a salesperson for a company called “Estate Legal.” He seemed legitimate at first, and I even had a few friends look over the materials he provided. Everything checked out.

They claimed that Estate Legal helps people through the probate process—especially those with a living will or those who’ve moved into a nursing home and need to sell their house. Supposedly, they connect sellers with brokers and homebuyers in each market. They also stated they only allow three brokers and three cash homebuyer “spots” in any given area, and they only move into areas where they can guarantee at least 600 leads per year. I was told there was already one broker signed up and no cash homebuyers yet, so it seemed like a good opportunity. After doing what I felt was enough research—even though the sales pitch was a bit pushy—I decided to move forward.

Their pamphlet outlined several guarantees and provided additional details. The only slight red flag was that they only accepted payment via Venmo or wire transfer, but that's how I accepted payment when I was selling lead bundles, so I still thought it was worth a shot. So, I wired the money. After that, they sent a few messages mentioning they were working with a couple of probates and would get back to me.

To date, I haven't received anything, and my attempts to reach them have gone unanswered. I recall looking up their LLC in Florida, even though some documents mentioned California.

If you’ve had any interactions with these people, please reply below and let us know your experience. I hope this helps keep others from falling into the same trap. Hope this helps, and God bless!

 Thanks, brother! I left him a voicemail. 

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