Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Amit M.:
The future value of a property or rent will not rescue you from a foreclosure if the present rental income is insufficient to cover the present mortgage and expenses and you do not have sufficient extra funds to cater to the deficiency.
This is the fundamental problem in markets like LA where cash flow on many of the rentals have a ways of being negative.
If you are an investor in LA with multiple properties (not just buying a personal home), having to spend (or set aside) an extra $2500 to $3000 per investment/unit every month and for years (or however your holding period is), because rental income was insufficient on each of the multiple rentals can become a problem.
The LA market is the way it is due to forces of demand and supply and what some spend $300,000 or almost $400,000 on in LA, some in many areas wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.
I live in LA (well, OC, down the road, actually) and agree with you Greg. Buying in LA today, renting it with negative cashflow, and hoping that rent and/or price appreciation will bail you out eventually is insanity. That is trying to squeeze a round peg into a square hole ... the OP or anyone else who wants to employ the buy and hold for cash flow strategy should move to a market other than LA that is more suited to that strategy (and there are plenty of them, but not LA today). Noticed I said today and not forever ... I actually pulled this strategy off in LA, but I bought in Palmdale (~1 hr outside of LA city, but in LA county), and I bought in 2009, and I bought trashed foreclosures where there was plenty of value-add opportunity. Different time, different market, different strategy. Today I'm considering getting my license to sell RE while the market is hot, or if I don't I will just get paid to wait until the market comes back down to where buy-n-hold makes sense again. If I were young, single, and w/out kids, I'd probably do a live-in flip, fix up over 2 years, maybe with some roommates, and sell tax free (or rent it out or continue to live there if the market tanks). Different time, different market, different strategy. When (not if) the market tanks again, I will adapt and adjust my strategy again. All the while, I put plenty down and invest with multiple exit strategies to cover my downside and ensure I don't have to give it all back to the bank if the market moves out from under my feet. To me, this is what it means to be a truly professional RE investor, as opposed to a gambler ... not saying that I'm 100% there yet, but this is the end game for me at least. The path taken may vary, but this same principal applies to any geography (LA to Florida, and all points in between) IMHO.