Quote from @Roger D Jones:
Quote from @Samuel Coronado:
Quote from @Roger D Jones:
Decks, porches and skirting will be significant. Not sure if you have it included elsewhere.
Have you listened to Frank Rolfe's webinar on new park development? Pretty insightful.
Decks, porches, skirting, delivery, leveling, and set up is included in the price of the homes from the dealers and factories I am buying from.
I have not heard that webinar yet. I thought he was more focused on the TOH model, but I will definitely look out for it. Is it on Spotify or YouTube? I was also aiming to take his course. I've owned MHPs before, but I am looking to scale upwards now.
Samuel,
Here is the podcast. I don't always agree with Mr. Rolfe on some of his positions but many people take his word as MHP gospel. I don't think he represents small MHP investors well with his anti POH rental positions and his often derogatory and demeaning views of MHP residents.
The New Park Building Boom That Never Was - Mobile Home University
Frank is the de facto master behind Sam Zelle when it comes to mobile home park knowledge. There are a couple of the things that comes to mind when he says not to build a new park.
One, he's at a 9-figure level with lots of investors and lenders to answer to. He has to hit certain markers that small mom and pops will never have to address in terms of yield. As someone who has been a general partner in an LP before, I can tell you investors never like to pay down debt early. It cuts down on the CoC and IRR markers they are monitoring. The expectation is that once a real estate project is up and running it should remain profitable for the lifetime of the project. Although bigger is normally better in real estate, there are benefits to being a smaller investor (as Chad Carson points out in his book.)
Two, he has a vested interest in not wanting other people to develop their own parks as there is a bit of supply and demand at play there. What if someone opened up a park next to his within those same good school areas he mentions in the podcast? In some cities, we're seeing what happens when apartments are overdeveloped (lower rents). In a similar vein, many park owners lobby local governments to stop the expansion or new development of parks in the name of progress. Their appeal is partly that it devalues the community but I think rampant homelessness devalues it more. Check out Colorado for a great example of a state that has hindered develop not just on MHPs but every imaginable type of real estate development. Homelessness and higher rents follow due to the restricted supply making things worse.
I think there is a case for developing new ones. This commercial real estate sector will continue to rise. Septics, land, and utility installation will not get cheaper. When we look for land today, there's always a premium on those plots that already have utilities and septics installed. As much as a $60k difference on half an acre sometimes.