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All Forum Posts by: Samuel Watts

Samuel Watts has started 18 posts and replied 71 times.

Post: Finishing up my first BRRRR project!

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14

Being newly self-employed has made it tough to find financing on my own, but my partner/investor/family member has been willing to be a co-borrower for my first few transactions which has helped me get around that aspect of the lending process so far. 

Post: Finishing up my first BRRRR project!

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14

@James Wilcox I'm hoping to find a nicer MFH that I can buy with an FHA loan and house hack, while using my HELOC funds for either another single family to BRRRR or a duplex. With the HELOC funds I am hoping to just buy something without doing any more financing and have not seen many duplexes in that range lately that were worth buying.

I have been finding good deals on single families lately but the multifamiles have been tough! I am starting to look outside Lexington to the surrounding areas now as well

Post: Finishing up my first BRRRR project!

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14

@James Wilcox If I were to sell it, I would buy a multifamily for greater cash flow but they are tough to find good deals on right now, as i'm sure you already know! I really got into it with the plans of doing the BRRR strategy and I believe I will stick with it at this point. One of the main reasons I was thinking of selling was that I have been needing to buy a truck (Hard to haul rehab tools and materials in a small car) and was hoping to use some of the selling funds to make that purchase. I may just use a small part of my HELOC for that though.

Post: Finishing up my first BRRRR project!

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14

@Mindy Jensen I was able to get the 0% loan from a family member! Pretty awesome huh? Paying that back at $380 a month which is not too bad! Do you know how strict they are on the requirement of living in it myself for 2 years to avoid those capital gains? Say I were to put a renter in there and move out? 

@Aaron C. That was my original plan when I bought the house was to rent it out after I finished up the work, but I didn't expect to be able to sell it for 120k when I bought it either! 

@Dave Foster I'm thinking i'm just going to hang on to it for a while and use the HELOC funds to do the same thing over again. Hopefully doing it with a house with a garage this time (I have too many tools now!) I take it they are pretty strict about actually occupying the house for the 2 year period for the tax break?

@Andrew Syrios Thanks! I am confident in the appraisal at this point. My home is much more updated than any of the other homes of identical size and layout that have sold in the area. The main concern of mine at this point is that there seems to be a bit of housing bubble and if I wait around a couple years I might lose out on money when I sell it. 

Post: Finishing up my first BRRRR project!

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14

Hey Everyone! 

I am finishing up my first BRRRR project right now and wanted to share some of my project with everyone.

I purchased my first property in January of this year from a wholesaler for 72,000 (private loan for 15 yrs 0% interest! ) . It is a 3 bed/1bath home in Lexington Kentucky and I was expecting it to need about 8k in repairs and was hoping for it to appraise at around 100k when complete. I also have lived in the home since the purchase and during the repairs (NEVER AGAIN!!) 

Good stuff about the house: The house had a new roof and newer windows installed not too long before my purchase and had a kitchen remodel that was started but never completed (new but unfinished cabinets, countertops, plumbing were complete). 

Bad ::: The house had an extremely heavy smoker living in it prior to me (previous owner died of lung cancer and I could see why) tar was dripping down the walls and trim throughout the house.  Dogs had destroyed the carpet and badly damaged the hardwood under the carpet to the point that I covered it with vinyl plank. Kitchen needed the entire sub-floor removed/leveled/replaced. Bathroom shower needed to be tiled. New electrical, installed central air/new furnace. Other than that it was just cosmetic (Paint, new flooring, trim)

I finally got everything finished up after a break of a couple months due to being too busy at work to focus on anything else. 

Since purchasing the house the real estate market has really taken off in my neighborhood with many houses like mine selling from 115-125k! My appraisal just came in at 120k which is about 20k higher than I was expecting when I first bought the home and right where I thought it would come in after seeing what the other recent comps were. I ended up putting a little over 10k into the repairs, so I have about 82-83k in the house total and looking at a profit of around $38k!

Ended up doing a HELOC instead of a refinance since I only have to pay interest on what I am borrowing and there were no closing costs. Not sure if this was the best idea but I liked the flexibility of the HELOC. Feedback?

Also, I am planning on continuing to live in the house until I find my next project and compete it, maybe I will move into that one or maybe i'll stay here? I now have a line of credit of $96k and am trying to decide my next step. Should I buy another single family and BRRRR it too? What would you do? I have also considered selling while the market is hot but am concerned with the tax hit and don't know if it's worth it right now).

I would love some feedback, sorry for the poorly written post! 

Post: Anyone doing BRRRR as a full time job? Good idea or bad idea?

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14

Thanks @Austin Fruechting, I was thinking that it would be a bit risky myself, I was just hoping to try and avoid the taxes with flipping and figure out a way to pay myself with the refinance funds but it doesn't seem to be a viable option. 

@Aaron Gordy, I believe it would be best for me to sell a couple flips per year and BRRRR the rest of them.

Post: Anyone doing BRRRR as a full time job? Good idea or bad idea?

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @Aaron Gordy:

@Samuel Watts Have you thought about a fha 203k loan as part of the BRRRR so at least you can make a little money on the rehab to cover some of the bills? I am not sure how many fha 203k loans one can do in a year as there is probably a seasoning period. I would reach out to a good mortgage broker to ask those sorts of questions. If your bank is suggesting one strategy, think about it but don't think that is the only strategy out there. I would invite a mortgage broker out to lunch, if I were you and pick his/her brain about different strategies. Why not flip one house and do a couple of BRRRR's a year? One other thing to consider is taxes. Reach out to your cpa and ask him/her questions about the best strategy as well. My two cents.

Hey Aaron! I haven't thought about the 203k loan a whole lot as I have been mainly looking at using my HELOC to purchase properties, that is something I will have to look into a little more. How would using the 203k loan leave me extra money left over?

Also, taxes are what have sort of put me off about flipping houses. I have been looking around for the best CPA to talk to and have narrowed it down to a couple that I am going to contact very soon!

Post: Anyone doing BRRRR as a full time job? Good idea or bad idea?

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @JD Martin:

It's pretty tough to do this as a full-time job from nothing. Getting loans will be virtually impossible. My opinion is that it's better, and easier, to just scale up as you go. If you end up with enough income from flips, or rentals, that starts to make your W2 income dispensable, you'll know if/when the time is right to "make the leap". 

I am contemplating whether I want to stick with the BRRRR strategy now or if I want to just start flipping while the market is hot and save money for rentals when it cools off a bit. I could make a lot more money flipping than I have been with my current job and would enjoy it quite a bit more. Also, I could live comfortably off the profits from 1 flip per year (While doing 5-10 a year and saving/investing the profits) and work as a Realtor part-time.

I got my real-estate license as I thought it would give me an advantage with finding properties for myself but it has mainly been a distraction to my main goal of flipping and buying rentals. 

Also, as far as getting loans, I don't think I will be limited by this too much as I have a non-active partner/co-borrower with a great income. 

Post: Anyone doing BRRRR as a full time job? Good idea or bad idea?

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @Steve K.:
Originally posted by @Samuel Watts:
Originally posted by @Neil Sinha:

How are you getting both the HELOC AND the cash out refinance? Isn't 198K lent to 120K appraisal 165% LTV?

I was told that I could get both by my bank. Not really sure how it works at this point though. Am I wrong? 

 Samuel

Congrats on your successful fix/hold investment. Your math is off. Look back at your mortgage chapter of your recent real estate licensing course....you're going to want to know how mortgages work.....you're the professional in the room and "not sure how it works" isn't going to earn you any broker customers.

You have acquired and rehabbed the house for $82k and it's worth ARV of $120k; that looks great, you're in for 68.3% of ARV ! If it appraises for that that $120k, you have created $38k of rehab profit.

Now, the BRRRRR method is to do the cash out refinance. If its' non-occupied by owner, you'd get to finance for 75% loan to value. You can take a loan of $90k. If you're still occupying it as your primary residence, you might get the 85% LTV you quoted, and get a $102k loan.

Your banker was likely telling you that you can get an HELOC "or" a cash out refi (30 yr loan)....but not "both".

Since you own a $120k house free and clear today.....if you sold it, you'd have $120k cash (less closing expenses)....but do you see that there is no possible scenario wherein you get to have a house AND $198k in cash?

You can have a primary mortgage on a house, and get a (small) HELOC too....but your banker is telling you that the sum of the two can't exceed about 90% LTV. So, no, you won't be getting $198k cash out. (the bank won't loan you $198k against the house that's worth $120k (thus Neils' 168% LTV).

As for launching a BRRRR career full time, it might take longer than you think. Read and get inspired by some real life case histories of @Joshua D. , @William Collins and @Austin Fruechting did in 5, 2.5 years and 7 years, respectively, buy using BRRR and working a day job (or at least a spouse)

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/459415-500k-net-worth-in-5-years-im-30-today?page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/429980-officially-financially-free-at-32----exciting-day

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/445367-full-time-employee-multiple-brrrr-side-hustle-2875-to-goal

 Thanks for your detailed response Steve! 

I definitely still have some to learn about mortgages! I was confused when I thought I understood the lender to agree to do both at 80%. Thanks for clarifying that for me and providing the related articles! 

Post: Anyone doing BRRRR as a full time job? Good idea or bad idea?

Samuel WattsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Lexington, KY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @JD Martin:

Somewhere you're mistaken - no bank is going to let you take >100% out of the house combined. They probably meant that you could get X% if you did a heloc OR X% if you did a refi. 

As far as paying yourself: no, it's not wrong, but most people sink all of their cash back "into the business" at the front end than try to live off the meager proceeds. If you are doing the rehab work yourself, no way are you going to do 10 properties a year. You might, with no other job, do 3-5 properties a year, and if you "paid yourself" $5k per property, you're going to be eating a lot of Ramen Noodles!

 Haha alright. I guess I was mistaken there, I'll have to clarify that when I speak with them again!

I guess I should clarify my role in the rehabbing as well, I plan on doing some of the rehabbing myself but subbing out a lot of the work to others as well. I want to be spending most of my time looking for deals and possibly wholesaling/listing the deals that I won't/can't take for myself.