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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Toth

Ryan Toth has started 8 posts and replied 33 times.

@Percy N. I had a candid discussion with the owner representative who stated a pure financial play at 10x EBITDA would be turned down. Having evaluated the cost of building a new facility vs. purchasing and improving this one, this purchase would be 1/3 the cost of a new site. Given the discussion I had with the owners and the cost of building a new one, I felt 13 was reasonable enough to get them to sell while maintaining the budget.

See if I can get some traction here on a busier night.

Thanks BP!

Post: If you could build, what would be your favorite floor plan

Ryan TothPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 7

Something like this! Seriously though, as I now have kids an open floor plan from the kitchen into a living area is important as is natural light. The place we are in now has poor lighting and it drives me nuts. I also prefer to have laundry on the same floor as bedrooms and a mud room next to our regular entry point (usually a garage).

Hello BP,

I have an opportunity for a unique property that doesn't really fit into traditional lending portfolios and I could really use some advice for developing a creative acquisition strategy. 

Background: In 2011, I had the thought to open a DIY auto garage after realizing my personal automotive efforts were being hindered by a lack of space, tools/equipment, and personal know-how. As a District Manager for Hertz Rent-a-Car, it was easy for me to understand the renting of time. This process eventually led me to "car condos" or higher end storage units for higher end or classic vehicles. I found the land in the areas convenient to the desired target market to be expensive and had to look at land outside of those areas. While doing so, I realized in order to maintain the desire to store their vehicles in a unit outside of a 5 mile radius, I would have to provide my customers with a compelling reason to visit the site. Since these folks are car people, it made sense to offer some sort of driving experience. 

I concluded that the best way to do this was to combine the DIY garage and social club concept with the car condos and a driving experience at a track. Since I already had some industry contacts after two years of research studying tracks, country clubs, and even equestrian facilities (I have a list of 4,147 private country clubs; 169 private equestrian communities; 866 ski centers & resorts and 23 private automotive clubs that include at least one road course), I found a underperforming road course and go-kart track not far from my original intended location (within a 2 hr drive). This was optimal as I found I could purchase the existing facility, upgrade it, and introduce new revenue streams for less than 1/3 the cost of building a new facility which would require a huge amount of investor capital. 

After another year of attempting to raise money, negotiating with the owners, speaking with engineers, architects, industry specific professionals, and revising my plans, I feel as if the purchase is within touching distance - yet still so far away and could use some assistance from more experienced investors.

Basics: The track needs some updating as do the grounds and facilities. However, the track and facilities appraised in 2013 ~$6M. It is currently cash flowing and profitable yet marginally. Using the P&L from 2014, I developed projections simply by adjusting current pricing (marginally) and cutting excessive and wasteful spending. My net projections for Yrs 1-5 are : $81k, 258k, 725k, 778k, and $1.13M, respectively, including a balloon payment in Yr.5. These do not include any additional revenue from the sale of car condos on-site or overnight accommodations nor the two major event organizers (Formula E & Formula Drift) who have welcomed discussions on having an event at the facility should I manage to wrap things up.

My plan and the area I need help: I believe the facility could be purchased for $2.75M (which is roughly 13x the 2014 EBITDA). I suggested to the ownership seller financing and asked if some of the existing ownership would be interested in rolling over a minimum of $500k for improvements and marketing. These would be considered with the right deal structure. I would also need to source another ~$500k to complete the first phase of renovations and initiate the marketing plan.

In summary, I need to develop a plan that secures the facility and allows for sufficient operating capital to meet the sales targets either through a creative seller financing package, an asset backed loan, or by some stroke of luck finding a partner who sees the vision. 

I'd love to hear the thoughts of the greater BP community and welcome feedback, advice, and constructive criticism openly.

Thanks, Ryan

Post: Fire Suppression/Sprinkler Installation

Ryan TothPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 7

Hey Frank,

I'm by no means an expert in the space, however I used to work as a sales rep for a large fire suppression company. Since I sold maintenance agreements, I touched on every aspect you mentioned above and worked with some asst living facilities. 

You're right, sprinkler installation is not cheap. It involves engineering the sprinkler system to a specific design which involves CAD time etc. To install, you're looking at $80-100/hr+. In one instance, I had a client who needed an  18" stub put in to meet the requirements of a local compliance officer and it ran him $800. I'd agree that the attic also needs to be protected as it's likely a combustible area large enough to become a problem should there be a problem. You'll probably need to have some back flows installed too.

A run of the mill FA panel is going to run $1500-7500 depending on how many contact points you need (read # of smoke detectors, pull stations etc), and then there is programming etc. E-Lights will be $60-120 or so a piece plus install. Think about what regular testing and maintenance will look like as well.

The challenge you'll face, is that assisted living facilities in some instances (depending on the jurisdiction) fall under medical facility coding and are required to have higher levels of protection to comply with state/federal programs. I'd work closely with the local fire inspector and coding dept to find out exactly what you'll need. And if you want, I can reach out to a contact in VA to get you some quotes (I don't currently work for them anymore so not selling anything here).

Hope that helps a bit. 

Ryan

Post: Upstate NY economy?

Ryan TothPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 7

@Steve W. yes, Newburgh (City of) is a bit tough. Town of, is different. With 84 and 87 and soon the new 86 (17 N/S) interchange to be complete it is a great commuting area. There are also 2 lines that run into the city. Beacon has a station that goes to G. Central and Washingtonville has a terminal that goes into Hoboken. West Point is about 15 miles South of Newburgh and then there is Stewart but that is ANG so less Active duty personnel getting a housing allowance.

Post: New Member in South Carolina

Ryan TothPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 7
Hey James Kampmeyer I'm in Mt. P. What are your goals in RE investing? While I'm no expert, I believe CHS is an exciting area and still has plenty of growing to do. I was recently speaking with a buddy who was interested in investing in S'ville and found plenty of interesting deals. Feel free to reach out

Post: Upstate NY economy?

Ryan TothPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 7
Hey Steve W. I was just speaking with a realtor yesterday about my property in New Windsor. She said the market for SFH has been improving with prices getting better, although my property still has some adjusting to do. MFH depending on the area (read downtown Newburgh) will always be a risk. Beacon is a great area that has experienced a revival but I'd wager much of the initial push to bring Beacon back has worn off and it's beginning to settle. However, with West Point and Stewart Air Base nearby if you had a decent property you could promote to Active Duty personnel I feel that's the best bet. I believe the BAH for an Active duty E5 is somewhere in the $1800 range, which isn't bad.

Post: Anyone Have Cell Tower Lease?

Ryan TothPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 7
This is interesting. I've thought about cell towers in the past but have always been unsure of the requirements. I'd imagine that the cellular provider would be seeking to improve the infrastructure in the particular area first?

Post: Seeking asset backed loan for commercial property in SC

Ryan TothPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 7

Hi BP,

I am seeking funding to purchase a cash flowing commercial property in SC. 

LTV of 62.5% on $4M.

Please contact me directly for add'l details.

Ryan