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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Taylor

Ryan Taylor has started 21 posts and replied 87 times.

Post: Due on sale....is anyone seeing this

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Quote from @Doug Pretorius:

@Ryan Taylor Sub2 really shouldn't be used for long-term holds. Your aim should always be for you or your occupant to refi within a few years. If the timeframe is say 5 years or less the odds of the bank calling the loan are pretty low historically. I've been at this for 22 years and I've never had a loan called.

That said as @Bill B. alluded to a rising rates + declining values scenario is exactly the reason banks started including that clause in their loans to begin with. So we can expect the risk to be higher for the next few years.


 Thank you for that Doug...I agree with your statement of refi in the next few years...this is a long term hold...just not a long term financing option of the property...

Why do you think 5yrs or less the odds are pretty low of the note being called...are there audits that take place after a 5yr mark?? I would almost think the opposite...the first 1-3yrs being the most risky...after that, hopefully a track record of payments being made would just keep you under the radar...I'm i thinking about that correctly 

Post: Due on sale....is anyone seeing this

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Nobody doing this less than 20 years knows. And even they, like me, would simply be guessing. I personally think/hope they  use loan officers they would otherwise have to let go. The odds have to go up every time they raise rates. The odds would also go up if property values started to drop. As the value of the collateral drops their risk goes up. Why take higher than market risks for lower than market rates. 


 Agreed...thank you for that

Post: Due on sale....is anyone seeing this

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@Ryan Taylor

As long as loan is performing the answer is no. A lenders servicer is usually a different company or department and as long as payments come in, they most likely never even know

 Even if a change of ownership is recorded...how would they not know...or do they not care as long as payments are being made...county recorders are required to notify lenders in a change of ownership...are they not

Post: Due on sale....is anyone seeing this

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the secondary market doesn't work quite that way...  The "lender" that you worked with to get the loan sells the Note off in about a month I believe.  The "lender" may still service (collect the payments, take care ofa dministrattive paperwork, asnwer your calls, etc.), but the now the Note is off in the secondary market.  I don't think they actually make more on a higher interest rate since they already had to pay for the Note in the first place.  All this finance stuff is about rate differences, not the absolute value.

So, no, probably dont worry about it as long as the payments are being made.


 So you think even when there is a change of ownership through the county recorders office...and the lender is then notified of change in ownership...this wouldn't raise a red flag to them...if they are a lender that services and retains the note...

Post: Due on sale....is anyone seeing this

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Quote from @David M.:

@Ryan Taylor

the secondary market doesn't work quite that way...  The "lender" that you worked with to get the loan sells the Note off in about a month I believe.  The "lender" may still service (collect the payments, take care ofa dministrattive paperwork, asnwer your calls, etc.), but the now the Note is off in the secondary market.  I don't think they actually make more on a higher interest rate since they already had to pay for the Note in the first place.  All this finance stuff is about rate differences, not the absolute value.

So, no, probably dont worry about it as long as the payments are being made.


 Thank you for that David...that is what I have always believed...as long as the payment is being made...no red flags raised...I understand the secondary market aspect of lenders selling debt serving...but what about a lender that retains their loans and does service their loans...does the likelihood go up...

Post: Due on sale....is anyone seeing this

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Question....with rates where they are...and where they are headed for that matter...anyone doing a sub to deal...is anyone experiencing a lender exercising the due on sale clause...I mention rates because, why would a lender not call a note that is 3.75 to recoup their money so it could be lent at the higher rate...with the spare time lenders now have to do more audits...has anyone experienced this...I get that lenders are in the business to collect payment and not own property...but if they could recover money lent at a lower rate to lend at a higher rate...why would they not...educate me....please

Post: Starting out with $10k

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Quote from @Juan David Maldonado:

I have $10k saved up! What would you do if you were me getting into real estate investing for the first time? I am interested in buy-and-hold rentals only. 

Juan,
with only 10K available funds...might be a bit challenging...but that's the fun right!! What I would do...and I'm no genius...but I would continue to read the forums, listen to the podcasts, continue to ask questions and educate yourself more in the fantastic realm of real estate...continue to save, and maybe form a partnership with someone...maybe they have more available funds but dont want to do any rehab that might need to be done...that's where you come in..just a thought...good luck in your REI journey 🤙

Post: New investors or investors who self manage there own properties

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Aloha,

Call me Old School, but I process all apps personally and in the order received, either denying and moving on to the next app, or approving and placing any others on hold until I have collected deposit via money order within two business days. I may, in some cases, hold those apps as backups until the rental agreement is signed and first month rent paid, before advising the prospect it is game over. IF a prospect is competent and has all of the necessary support docs, it only takes, on average, 15 -20 minutes to put the puzzle together and make a decision. I have processed over 3000 applications at this point in my career, and over the last 20 years, have had to file eviction on tenants that I placed only twice. Over the past 10 years, my client's vacant units have been offered from a low of $1000 to a high of about $3000, with a few outliers.

There are too many variables, some of which matter, some of which do not, for a fully automated process to discover and act on the nuances, in my opinion. For instance, the "standard" FICO scores. Here is a chart I refer to from time to time:
The Reality is, the score itself, for purposes of qualifying someone for an average rental, is much less important that what goes into the "formula" used to generate the number. If someone has had a lot of medical bills, or a foreclosure, or even a divorce, a lot of that history is not necessarily important today, for renting an average home or apartment. Often an individual has no control over what lead to those type of major life changes. What I DO look for is a pattern of poor choices that lead to the FICO score, whether it is low or high. If there are multiple credit card or cell phone companies with collection or past due balances, or recent car repos, charged off accounts, returned checks, judgments or evictions, and those type of "consumer credit" issues, then I have a big concern. I have seen plenty of scores in the 600- 650 range where the person was actually pretty solid with consistent payments, low balances, some savings, and stable employment with household income (including subsidy amounts) that meets my typical 2.5 times the rent. If I simply relied on the FICO as a criteria, I would miss out on some decent tenants.

Usually, that pattern of poor choices will extend to their court records which I also review, and will likely result in denial. People in debt primarily due to medical, or even student loans, do not usually have a pattern of poor choices on their court records also. To take that one step further, I look very closely at those court records, including "just" the traffic citations. I have found it pretty common for someone that shows results of poor choices in their credit report, will also have similar results on their background checks. Ignoring the law, getting lots of speeding, or expired tag, no insurance type of citations, and of course DUI's, all tell me this is not someone I want to rent to. The last bit of the approve/deny puzzle is making sure the prospect has provided full information. Checking the current address on their paystub(s) or other documentation, with what is on their DL, and what they show as current address on the application can reveal missing info that you can call into question. Looking up the phone number for the company they claim to work for on line, and verifying employment through that number is also critical, vs calling a number or person provided by the applicant.

Sometimes you get applicants with no job, but lots of assets. These can sometimes take additional time and effort to verify, but this is definitely another variable that would be very difficult to automate, without missing out on some decent prospects.

Honestly, there have been many occasions where I showed a unit in the morning, the prospect brought their application and docs to our office after lunch, I processed the app, reviewed and signed the rental documents with the applicant, providing them a copy, collected cashier's check or money order for funds due, and moved them in before the end of the day...checking and responding to emails, phone calls,and other business in the interim.

 Richard, 

Lots of value in that response, mahalo. One thing I hear often is to ask the applicant for their prior landlord/property management info to check references on, as well as the one before that.

Question, what are you asking their references. I know it doesnt have to be some long winded conversation, but what exactly do you ask...how granular do you get. Is it just the standard question like...do they pay on time, ever late, any complaints against them. Thanks for your guidance on this question as I will soon be screening for tenants.

Aloha

Post: Can we lighten it up a little

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just letting everyone one know...that all my mortgages now identify as student loans...I'm just sayin...

Think it will fly 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Post: HELOC Recommendations for investing!

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Hello Jordan,

I would recommend checking with a credit union, if you are a member on one that is. The smaller the better. I just used my local credit union to do exactly what you are doing. They really seem to make it pretty simple, at least mine was. Example of mine,

Applied online on Tuesday, underwritten and prelim pulled by Wednesday, signed Thursday...Funded the following Monday...Done! So I guess you can say I am a fan of credit unions.

Good luck with your search...and happy investing :)