Originally posted by @Randall Alan:
I would highly recommend if you are just starting out to only flip where you can be in person, for a lot of reasons:
1. You can be book smart, but completely blind as to what is really happening on your project if you can’t put eyes on the situation.
2. Contractors can be great, but they can also really be horrible. If the person paying the bills is not on site, which way do you think it has a more potential to go? Also, if a mistake is made ... wrong product, color, placement, etc... when is it going to be caught, and by whom?
3. No one cares more than you. An 80% job might be good enough to pass as done right, but unless someone is there to punch list things that are lacking, you will get a crappier renovation.
4. Things seldom move on time on a renovation... if you can do drive-bys and see that nothing is going on, you can keep your project moving better by hounding the contractors, etc.
These are just a few of the things that come to mind. I think it’s just a really scary proposition to not be on-site to oversee a flip. If you can’t, I would at least either plan on frequent trips, or hiring someone to oversee the project with clearly defined expectations.
best of luck!
Randy
Hi Randy,
Thank you for all the well defined thoughts. I appreciate the other point of views. I also have experience in hands on rehabbing myself, I've personally done electrical, plumbing, framing, sheetrock, paint, fabricating, landscaping, mechanical, carpet, flooring, roofing, demo, etc. I love the other points of view so I can use them to do whatever I can to make as fool proof of a system as possible, obviously it's never 100 percent, but as best as possible.
I have the book on long distant real estate investing by David Green, and one thing he said to use is video. You actually gave me an idea for the paint matching. I could have the contractor or property manager go through the house taking video or live feed, or take pictures with the color swatch, and make sure it matches. I understand the colors won't look the same in a video or picture as in real life, but if there's no difference in contrast, it'd be safe to say the color is right.
As for the punch list. I intend to make a huge checklist that needs to be verified with video that it's been done. If the GC or property manager doesn't want to do it, well then they won't get hired. With that said I also plan to make contracts that would make all parties happy, like finish ahead of schedule, on budget, and all the check boxes have been met, then there's a 5% bonus.
I think the hardest thing will be vetting The team members and finding the best ones. I'll do whatever it takes to, and spend as much time as possible to getting the best people for each part of the job. If I have to work 16 hours to get a great team member for 1 hour worth of work, I'll do it. Then I can keep them for later projects.
With all that said, would you think a year worth of studying every day, and then acquiring spreadsheets, checklists, contracts, team members, networking, analyzing markets, etc., be a pretty good amount of time to not be too risky to start my first flip. Also, what did you use to learn the trade? I'm always trying to learn all aspect or different approaches.
Thank you so much,
Ryan