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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Naylor

Ryan Naylor has started 2 posts and replied 72 times.

Post: Conventional loan for house for college kid?

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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Originally posted by @Daren Wilson:

Darren,

Get with a Mortgage Broker, a bank can help you but you'd be far better off going to someone who knows HOW to help you.

PM me if you want, I might be able to connect you up with someone in your area.

Ryan

Post: Drywall over wood paneling

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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  • Votes 76

There is a possibility there is drywall under the paneling and the panels were just put up. I would take them down and put up drywall over putting drywall over them.

Post: Newbie From Utah with a Plan

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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Originally posted by @Brian Mullen:

@McKenna Garcia

Sounds like you have a great plan in place. 

I know that we are both newbies but feel free to reach out. We can share notes or bounce ideas off each other as we execute our plans.

 Brian,

Feel free to PM me and reach me directly if you have any questions.

I'd love to hear about your plans and business model.

Ryan

Post: Newbie From Utah with a Plan

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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Originally posted by @McKenna Garcia:

@Ryan Naylor

My only concern is that small multi families on the MLS are really high priced. I haven't found one yet that makes sense as a house back let alone a rental for when we move out after the year. Not for a small down payment at least.

McKenna, I know. I'm in the market here. They are around. We really need to just have a conversation and see what you have and can do and then you can have some help on your direction and what you need/want on the numbers, offers and exit strategy.

Are you getting listings? or searching on your own? Or are you waiting for a "wholesaler" to do you a solid and line you up with a 50% equity deal?

I can tell you it makes sense when you find the deal and know what your numbers are going to be.

If houses are "high-priced", how long do you want to wait till they aren't high - priced?

Post: Newbie From Utah with a Plan

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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Originally posted by @McKenna Garcia:

Hello Bigger Pockets! I'm McKenna Garcia from Layton, Utah. I'm a tech at a lab in Salt Lake, and I'm most of the way through school for microbiology. My husband is an electrical engineer weeks away from finishing his MBA. Our goal is financial freedom through real estate, and we have no background whatsoever. My husband has been thinking about real estate for a long time, and he asked me to look into it for my opinion. He recommended Rich Dad Poor Dad which changed my mindset and then I came across Bigger Pockets. I've been a lurker for a while but it's time to up the ante and rev the engines. 

I'm motivated towards financial freedom for the stability and flexibility it offers. Every day I read more articles about the doom and gloom of the economy, the housing market, the retirement woes of the elderly, the middle class disappearing, etc. I don't want to be a part of that. I don't want to be under the control of employers, the government, or rich people. I don't want to rely on a wage that is dragging behind living expenses year after year. I don't want to retire when I'm too old to have fun because I had to keep working to save enough for retirement. I don't want to be part of a disappearing middle class. Most of all, I don't want to be in the middle of these situations and complain that its the government's fault, or the wealthy's fault, and wait for someone else to fix my problems. 

My husband and I (no kids) plan to obtain financial freedom by using real estate investing. We make about 93K together annually. We are renting at the moment. We save all of my paychecks and a good chunk of his. Credit scores are both above 760. Only about 14k of car loans, no other debt.

I’ve been lurking on Bigger Pockets for a while, and he has been doing his own research. We’ve sat down and come up with this plan with our longer term view and our short term attack plan. I would welcome any advice. Is there anything we’ve missed? Should it be shorter and more aggressive, or a longer timeline, or is the approach wrong, etc. I’ve also added some questions in bold.

I think Bigger Pockets is an amazing community and it’s been teaching me so much! I need to be more active on it.

Thank you so much for any and all feedback!

Goal- Earn at least $5,000 a month in passive income.

Strategy- buy and hold rental properties. Mostly multi-families, only single family if we find really good deals. Wholesaling after gaining experience to help finance more properties.

Timeline- Reach 5,000 a month in passive income ten years from when we buy our first property.

Market- Middle- income small multi-families. We are also okay with low-income properties depending on the property, but still only properties and areas that we would want to live in.

Criteria- $100 per door minimum cash flow.

$450,000 max purchase price for a three or four plex multi-family in Weber, Davis, Salt Lake counties in Utah.

Maximum rehab budget- $5,000. Once we have more cash reserves, BRRRR strategy is a great tool, so maximum rehab budget will be raised at later point.

Cash on cash ROI- 8% minimum

Marketing Plan- We'll use the MLS, but do not expect to get many if any deals from it. We will network through Bigger Pockets and investor meetups, and build connections with agents. We will use direct mail to find off market deals.

Financing- Owner occupied conventional 5% loans or 3.5% FHA. We do not qualify for Home Possible with our income.

Financials- 27, almost 28k + 2,200/month.

  • -6.3k of the 27k is in ETFs. Should we utilize that or leave it alone? We also decided to stop contributing to them in order to save for a down payment faster. We used to be contributing 500 a month. Should we continue that if we can take the money out? Or maybe even accelerate our contributions?

In order to reach $5,000 a month in passive income in at least 100/door, then we need 50 doors. In order to reach this in 10 years from our first property then we need to acquire at least five doors a year. The first three or so years will be using house hacking, which can only be done a year at a time and the max is four doors, so we will be behind after the first three years. After three years of fourplexes there are still 38 doors needed to reach the goal in the remaining seven years, which equals to 5.42 doors a year. We’ll set the goal at year three to six doors a year to allow some margin of room if we buy a duplex or triplex in the first couple years.

Plan:

  • -Buy first house hack by December 2019 or January 2020. By doing so we can save a better cushion and hopefully take advantage of any market softening.
    • Goals to meet objective
      • July-
        • practice analyzing deals
          • Call local property management companies for market Rents?
            • This would probably affect our analysis..
        • choose real estate agent.
        • choose lender.
        • Get estimate on how much we can qualify for.
          • Should we get a preapproval this soon? I know they expire. Can a lender run the numbers to estimate instead? Kind of like a fake approval.
        • Educate educate educate!
        • Become more active on Biggerpockets to build relationships and understand our market better.
        • Attend at least one investor meetup.
      • August
        • Attend as many meetups as possible, including the first free meetings of the local REIAs.
        • Choose one and stick with it.
        • Analyze
        • Educate
        • Network
      • September
        • Choose properties that are for sale to drive around and get a feel for areas and the properties themselves.
        • Talk to my dad (who is experienced in construction and repairs) to get a feel for how much upkeep/repairs would cost and/or go to Home Depot or other hardware stores to scope around and talk to people.
        • Get a preapproval for a loan in September or October, depending on the lender. I know they expire in 60-90 days usually.
        • Continue to network, attend meetups, and educate
      • October
        • Honestly not sure what else I need to do at this point other than what I would be doing already to continue preparing before we pull the trigger. Any ideas? Anything I’ve missed?
      • December
        • Find a deal and pull the trigger!

Hi there, sounds like you've been doing your homework! congratulations!

There is plenty in your post to unpack, I'd suggest focusing on the first purchase being your primary househack, 4-plex is a good goal and there are deals on the local MLS that will need minimal rehab/repairs.

Feel free to reach out to me with specific strategy on how to get started.

I'd be glad to get you started!

Ryan

Post: Increasing rental portfolio quickly.

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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Originally posted by @Patrick Hendley:

Thanks guys for the feedback. I guess I could wholesale and flip my way to 100k goal but not all that familar with either. So I was thinking since I already have 30k in business credit, received 15k in business LOC today and bank will front me 30k HELOC on the 40k rental I own which brings me to a total of 75k, which means I need 25k more. Which would be the better method? Buying a house in cash, fix it up then flip or use hard/private to buy and flip? Or should I find a experience flipper in my area to partner with? I have close to a 800 FICO and a W2 job so getting financial should not be too difficult.

Go local, attend a local REI meeting and let your numbers be known, what you are intending to do and who can you partner up with to get you there, you will find out about deals and who is doing what right now that they will be able to bring to the table for you.

Post: Rookie Down payment question

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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Originally posted by @Dana Vijum:

I have found a rental property in a desirable area of Phoenix AZ  and have made an offer on it.  Since I am a new investor, the bank is requiring 30% down plus closing costs.

The loan will have a fixed 4.82% APR for 30 years

30% down  will be $75,000 + $6,000 in closing costs. 

Since this is my first deal and most likely the one I will learn the most from; other than wiping out my entire savings for the down payment; is there another way to structure this deal?

Dana Vijum

 30% Down seems pretty high, but not enough details to know the specifics.

It is a great rate for an investment property though!

You might be buying into a rate buydown? You could shop around for a better down payment loan, usually 15-20% down, but at that rate it will help with your monthly cash flow.

Make a few calls and run some different numbers with a smaller down payment but not losing that rate by going with someone else either.

That would be my suggestion but of course a lower down payment, does mean a higher loan amount which ultimately amounts to a higher monthly payment.

Post: Getting a Mortgage on Low Salary but Big Savings?

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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Originally posted by @Jim Horne:

@Ryan Naylor

I don’t know her exact ratio, just that the banks she’s spoken with are concerned with her “low salary”, which seems a bit silly given that she chooses to pay herself as the owner at whatever number makes sense.  It just seems like an arbitrary parameter that works for the majority of folks in the workaday world, but not someone in a far better financial position like her.

If DTI is the problem then that is how she would handle it. I would guess that they are looking at her income average, as in she hasn't been on the job for a 2 year average.

She just started and hasn't established herself yet as a business owner.

Has she kept her other job? If so, then she just needs to pay off some debt. It's not arbitrary, It's just qualifying, she needs to have someone tell her why she isn't qualified and then how to get qualified, not just a denial and move on.

Call a broker in this case and not a bank. A broker will help her understand what she needs to do to get a loan.

Post: Getting a Mortgage on Low Salary but Big Savings?

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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What is making the DTI low?

dti stands for Debt To Income, so if she has such a big savings, she could pay of some debt to lower the numbers and then get qualified for a conventional mortgage, FHA if she is living in one as well.

Forget the NON-QM route, sounds like its' not neccesary to me.

Post: Mother-in-law apartments- Good places to look?

Ryan NaylorPosted
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  • Salt Lake City, UT
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Originally posted by @Kristen Kenney:

I also am looking for a MIL home in a sugarhouse area that I can 1) reside in and 2) rent for additional income . I am debating however on buying a MIL single family home or multi family. 

If anyone has feedback please comment below! Thank you! 

 Kristen,

I sent you a message, the first thing you would want to know, is how much house you can afford. 

That will determine the affordability of a duplex, MIL, Multi-Fam etc. 

And then we can work with a Real Estate Agent to discover what is available in your price range and narrow down the specifics as to size, area, purchasing power, etc.

Ryan