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All Forum Posts by: Ryan James

Ryan James has started 4 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: Citrona homes Multifamily Johnson pa

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

Something seemed "fishy" to me last year when I had first talked with Citrona. Mainly because they have a fake account on Facebook making their marketing posts in all of the Real Estate groups (Raina Beyond is the name on Facebook I believe), plus their website was very amateurish. However, I still decided to look into it further. I took the family on a road trip to Johnstown and checked out some of the properties, I talked to the local utility companies, the title company, insurance company, etc. and everything seemed legit. I knew at the very least I would get the deed to a property. I wanted to buy several properties but I told them I would do just 1 small duplex to test them out and see if I like how things work out and then I would buy many more.

I own several businesses but I had never had an investment/rental property yet. I was looking to get my feet wet with a cheap rental property so I could learn. This is becoming an expensive lesson...

I chose a duplex and closed in the beginning of August 2018. To this date (3/27/2019), I have only received ONE payment from them and that was after I told them my lawyer was going to get involved. This company's communication is absolutely atrocious! It takes MONTHS for them to return emails or phone calls. They had a rental/web portal that hasn't worked in the 9 months that I've been with them. Every time I called and talked to Kelly, the lady who I originally dealt with when I purchased the property, she would try to help and tell me I had to call someone else. She was very nice and seemed to try to be helpful. She actually DID get people to call me back, however, the person who would call me back just kept giving me non-answers: "Oh you didn't get a payment yet? I'll check on that", "Oh, one of your tenants hasn't paid in 3 months? I'll check on that.", "Oh, we had your closing date wrong by 3 weeks so we owe you more prorated rent? I'll check on that.", etc. etc. Of course, I never heard back about ANY of this. By the way, it was always someone different every month or 2 that was "managing" the Johnstown properties. I would call to talk to Michele and she was "no longer with the company" and then Amy took over...then within another month or 2, she was "no longer with the company". So it seems their turnover rate for the employees is very high.

So I've been emailing a list of questions about where my money is, what's going on with the non-paying tenant, about the water bill being like $500-$700 per month (oh yeah, there's that!), and the absolute worst thing is the fact that I found out they charge their management fee whether the tenant pays or not!!! SO they rob Peter to pay Paul! They charge for rent expected rather than rent collected! To me, I think this is a shady way to do business. There is no real motivation for the property management company to evict tenants and/or fill the vacancy as long as 1 tenant is paying their rent. Personally, I would rather pay MORE per door or a higher % if a property management company charges based on just rent collected. Anyhow, for any new investors out there, please pay attention to this before signing a contract with any property management companies. 

At this point, I am desperately looking for a new property management company and I'll be talking to a lawyer to get all of this handled. 

If anyone has any advice on another property management company in that area, please help. 

My final assessment on Citrona is: I do actually have a deed to a property, maybe they mean well, maybe they are outright scammers, maybe they are just trying to make a quick buck on quick flips, I am not 100% sure...but one thing for sure is that their property management company is terrible and seriously lacks communication, and I would never recommend them. It's still up in the air what I find out about the inside of the property if I switch management companies...this could end up being worse.

I saw people on here asking for a detailed explanation of any dealings with this company, so I hope this helps. 

Post: Need help! Please analyze this deal...

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

I live in Norfolk. I can tell you the real deal about the area and property itself if you feel like disclosing the location. Feel free to DM me or reply to post here.

About the water bill, I don't think you'd need the property manager to do that. It sounds like it's just 1 meter for the the whole building, so when you get the bill you could just split it up proportionately by square footage. Oh, and that water bill amount sounds about right for 4 units in this area, it's actually on the cheaper end.

About the numbers though, I think you should factor in a Vacancy of 5% to 10% even if it is fully occupied now. Also, definitely make sure to factor in at least 10% for CapEx. You know for sure you will need to replace that roof within 2 years max most likely. Also find out the age of all the AC/Furnace units. I've just had to get 2 units replaced myself in the last month (and it's not cheap) so that's fresh on my mind.

My opinion of my area here is that it is a little on the higher end for multi-family properties. Pretty low CAP rates around here and everyone wants top dollar. There's deals that pop up here & there but for the most part I think it is over priced around here.

You mentioned the seller has had it on & off the market several times so that must be for a reason. Like I said, I can go check it out for you and let you know, no problem. 

Post: Is this a good deal on an 8-plex? 13.92% CAP

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

Thanks for everyone's input. You guys are great! I have reworked the numbers...

$215,000 Purchase Price
$3,800.00 Projected Monthly Income (with all 8 units rented)
(Current rent is actually $2,850 with 6 units rented)
$2,973.17 Monthly Expenses
$826.83 Monthly Cashflow
11.22% Pro Forma Cap
$24,120.00 NOI

Total operating expenses: $1,790.00
Mortgage expenses: $1,183.17

Vacancy @ 10%: $380.00
Repairs @ 10%: $380.00
CapEx @ 5%: $190.00
Insurance: $240.00
Management @ 10%: $380.00
P&I (20 year @5.5%): $1,183.17
Property Taxes: $220.00

***Total Monthly Cashflow using 50% Rule BP Calculator: $716.83

Post: Is this a good deal on an 8-plex? 13.92% CAP

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

@Ken Breeze Yes I did use the calculators here for the Rental Property. I pasted the results here and then just typed in what percentages I used.

@Owen Dashner It is actually out of my area so I am not that familiar with it yet...about 3 hours away from me and I am in Virginia Beach, VA. However, I did a Google street view and looked at the whole street and it looks like all multiplexes down the whole street. It doesn't look like a D area, just a smaller town with competition at those rent rates...plus they're only 1BR/1BA units.

@Anton Ivanov Thank you for all your input. I have never done a multi-family before (only a few flips) so there are things that I didn't know. You are correct, I definitely messed up on the insurance estimate. I will also adjust the repairs/landscaping estimate. I will re-run the numbers. I have not contacted the listing agent yet, this was just an initial run through so I can sound a little like I know what I'm talking about before I reach out to them. Just trying to learn.

@Donald S. Also a good point, thank you! I've never done a commercial loan before so I didn't realize that. I will rework with new numbers.

Post: Seller listed 2 separate Quadplexes as 8-plex? Questions inside..

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

I will ask the selling agent eventually, just wanted to ask here first before I talk to him.

Post: Is this a good deal on an 8-plex? 13.92% CAP

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

8-plex, All 1BR/1BA units. Tenants pay electric and water (individually metered). 6 Units newly renovated and are rented for $475 each per month. The remaining 2 Units currently being renovated. Seller is asking $240k. Property management company already in place. I'm a beginner to multi-family and trying to figure things out. Let me know if this is a good deal and if I am not factoring anything. I was thinking of offering $215k ish.

I'm coming up with the numbers below...

$215,000 Purchase Price
$3,800.00 Projected Monthly Income (with all 8 units rented)
(Current rent is actually $2,850 with 6 units rented)
$2,177.50 Monthly Expenses
$1,622.50 Monthly Cashflow
13.92% Pro Forma Cap
$29,928.00 NOI
13.92% Purchase Cap Rate

Total operating expenses: $1,306.00
Mortgage expenses: $871.50

Vacancy @ 7%: $266.00
Repairs @ 5%: $190.00
CapEx @ 5%: $190.00
Insurance Est.: $60.00
Management @ 10%: $380.00
P&I (30 yr, 4.5% estimate): $871.50
Property Taxes: $220.00

***Total Monthly Cashflow using 50% Rule: $1028.50

Post: Seller listed 2 separate Quadplexes as 8-plex? Questions inside..

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

Seller listed two 4-plex units as an 8-plex and is selling as such. I'm wondering how this falls under appraisal and getting a loan? Would this be commercial since it's an 8-plex or would it still be residential since it is two 4-plexes? I'm just wondering if they did this because it wouldn't appraise high enough unless they can use their rents and CAP rate. Does anyone have any idea how to go about handling this if I want to proceed with an offer on it?

Post: REI in your own personal name, as a Trust. as a LLC, as a S Corp?

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

Yes I will talk to an accountant or lawyer but I wanted to ask on here for what everyone else is doing so I can have a little bit of knowledge when talking to a "professional". I actually own 2 separate retail businesses that I have registered as "S Corps" for over 12 years now because I was told a long time ago that it was better than a LLC for that type of business, so I was just wondering if it would apply to REI.

Post: REI in your own personal name, as a Trust. as a LLC, as a S Corp?

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

Hey everyone, what is your preferred entity for your RE business? in your own personal name, as a Trust. as a LLC, as a S Corp?

Post: Last flip in 2010. I'm a little rusty. Now looking to Buy/Hold...

Ryan JamesPosted
  • Norfolk, VA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 5

Thank you @Jake! I will check out that book.