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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Horan

Ryan Horan has started 7 posts and replied 16 times.

Update

We closed on the duplex January 8 (same day that I was set to have emergency eye surgery, but that's another story). I had a solid contact from IHA that really helped me navigate the Section 8 process. We decided to manage the property ourselves, I wanted to make sure the tenant relations were handled how I saw fit and things have seemed to go smoothly in that regard. I was a little slower having a conversation with tenants than I normally would be due to the surgery recovery process, but we collected January rent at closing so I had a bit of cushion. I met with tenants the week following closing without having all the answers, but told them we would keep them as long as were able to raise rent basically. I had them sign a lease addendum to their current lease that stated we would maintain their month to month status/current lease terms and found out I needed tenants to sign a rent raise request (which they did willingly) that I submitted to IHA a couple weeks back. I just signed the HAP contract for the year last week that began February 1 and will continue for 12 months (1st contract has to be 12 month period, but you do not have to sign a full year lease with tenants), so waiting on February check to be deposited. We applied to have rents raised from 700 (tenant pays water/sewer) to 850 and 765 (landlord pays water/sewer) to 900 which appears to be in line with what is considered fair market rent on the IHA website. If rent raise gets accepted, I'll have them sign a year lease at that rate. If not, I'm unsure exactly how I'll proceed, but it was made clear to tenants that if I can't get rents raised that I can't keep them and they both appeared to be understanding (they assumed I was kicking them out to flip the house because of all the renovations on the block so they were appreciative I was trying to keep them there). I'll have to go through an inspection, but I can't imagine they'll be able to pick the place apart too much since tenants have been living there for 2 and 4 years and are supposed to have yearly inspections, but I guess we'll find out.

Another important piece of information that @Harvey Levin provided is that tenants get vouchers based on how many family members they have living with them. In my case, both tenants have 1 child, so even though they are 3 bedroom units I can't get the 3 bedroom fair market value rent rates. Basically, we're willing to accept that in the short term (if we're able to raise rents of course) because of the savings on turnover costs/repairs and we'd rather focus on finding another property since we had to sign a year HAP contract anyway to accept any payments in the interim.

Thanks for all the help and advice, it seems as if some people think everybody should already know everything about every aspect of rental property investing. I learn best when I jump into situations and problem solve when issues arise, but I don't feel like I've made any tragic mistakes or have overstepped my bounds to this point. I could sit around and read message boards and books all day, but there's no substitution for experience (which you can't get in rental property investing without risk). I've read numerous books and rarely have come across any information relating to section 8 housing (and even those snippets haven't been terribly helpful or accurate). Not 100% sure how it will all play out, but I'm glad I bought the place (as of now) regardless, tenants are friendly and I think if I need them to leave we won't have any major issues as long as everything is managed well. IMO the education itself is worth the risk this early in my investing career, I've learned a lot about section 8 and have a pretty solid idea of how the system works now. Plus, in these unsure times it's hard to beat sure rent. I appreciate the positive and constructive advice, I'll keep those that are interested updated on rent raise request status and inspection, both of which I'm a little nervous about.   
  

@mike d'arrigo St clair place, north beville between Michigan and 10th. 3 bed/1.5 bath per side.  We also have a 2 bed/1 bath sfh in the area getting 1k a month. Our realtor has 3 duplexes in the area, he's getting north of 1000 per side out of those. The current tenants are section 8 I wouldn't consider it a section 8 area, maybe if you go south of Michigan or east of rural. Will take some cleaning and work to hit those numbers. That is the reason for my questioning, they've been there 4 years with no rent raise while the area has improved dramatically. I guess I'd be open to keeping them (1 of them based on cleanliness of units) if they can afford, but if not I want to make sure I'm following proper protocol. 

The section 8 designation wasn't initially disclosed,  so my agent is working on getting info,  but I'm doing my due diligence to cover my bases. The lease is expired and tenants are month to month currently. Inspection is scheduled for next week and I want to make sure I'm comfortable with everything before moving forward. What I'm most unclear about is how to transfer payments to myself until tenants vacate or if I'm able to do so. Thanks for the contact Ric!

We currently have an Indianapolis duplex under contract. The property is tenant occupied with section 8 tenants. I've searched for information on taking over a section 8 tenant, but it seems to be unclear. We are not registered to receive funds via section 8 and am unsure if we will be able to immediately following the closing. Has anybody had any experience with this? They are currently month to month. They are paying well under market for the area and the current landlord hasn't raised their rent in 4 years. They only have a $99 security deposit. The ultimate goal is find new tenants that can pay market rent (they are paying $700 currently and we think we can easily achieve $900 per side). Inspection upcoming next week and we plan to talk to the tenants and explain that they can apply (assuming they meet the requirements) to stay via our typical leasing process (background/credit check, 1x rent SD) at the market rate we determine. Has anybody had any experience with this? We have never accepted section 8 tenants in the past, so unsure if we need to do something to collect the month to month rent once we close. Assuming they can't afford market rate and we give 30 days notice, I think offering a certain amount to keep the place in good shape is a solid strategy, but what if they just don't want to leave? Will we be able to at least collect the section 8 checks until they vacate? Any help is greatly appreciated! I plan on calling the Indianapolis HUD office Monday to determine options and learn procedures so I make sure I'm doing everything correctly.

Thanks,

Ryan

Thanks for all the help... chemical bank has proved to be a great option, close to closing with a 4ish% rate, 75% ltv. Plan to continue to use them and would highly recommend (assuming we close with no hiccups and LLC transfer goes as planned, i'll update with changes). Have to pay points but worth it for the rate. Visio rate was 8% and fees were astronomical for a sub 100k house, probably will get better once lenders ease up on investment properties.

Top 2 bottom home inspections is based in new Palestine and has worked well for us. Matt is a firefighter and has been quick and reliable. I would recommend. I live locally as well, if you don't mind me asking, which turnkey company are you using?

My partner and I have recently purchased a TK property with cash that we are having a difficult time getting refinanced (via delayed financing). The issue seems to be the purchase price being <$100k (it was $92k). Does anybody know of any investor friendly lenders in Indianapolis that will lend on a 30 year term (ideally 80% LTV) for rental properties? Any help greatly appreciated.

Best,

Ryan 

@jaron walling, yes I get it, we have 1 property separately that is under our name and will stay that way. I wouldn't even be having this conversation had a good friend not taken notice and showed interest. He has a lot more to protect than I and yes, an agreement is being written up. There are obviously pros and cons, but the ability to grow much more quickly than we originally anticipated, in my opinion,  outweigh the cons of taking on a partner early. I appreciate the feedback. 

Hey, my partner and I currently have our 1st property under contract in Indianapolis that will be purchased with cash in hopes that we can rate and term refinance under an LLC. Does anybody know of any lenders in Indianapolis that do delayed financing of this sort? It seems the big banks don't want to mess with LLC owned properties and we really want to get the better terms of traditional financing. Is a deed transfer after refinancing the only option? Any help greatly appreciated!

Ryan