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All Forum Posts by: Gary Lucido

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Post: [MN] How to Get Hourly Realtor?

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Matt M.:

@Gary Lucido

That’s not the point. The OP is clearly trying to save a buck. 
I am a contractor, if I give you a price of $1000 for a job that’s worth $1000, you offer me $50/hour and it’s a 6 hour job.. go pound sand and call someone else 

He's not trying to just save a buck. He's trying to align incentives better. At what rate would you work by the hour?

Post: [MN] How to Get Hourly Realtor?

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Matt M.:

@Gary Lucido

Seriously? This guy wasn’t offering $1000/hour. 

My point is that you dismissed the idea out of hand without knowing what he was offering. At what hourly rate would you accept the deal? 

Post: [MN] How to Get Hourly Realtor?

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48

@Rob Pollock, "Ultimately there is going to be resistance to change because you are asking agents to go from a known payout (their commission) to an unknown based on the number of hours." Actually you are asking them to go from an unknown payout for their time to a known payout. It should be a no-brainer.

@Matt M., "If I was your realtor and you approached me with your offer, I would no longer be your realtor." If he offered you $1000/ hour you wouldn't take the deal?

Post: [MN] How to Get Hourly Realtor?

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48

@Alexander Murillo "Unfortunately by proposing an hourly rate, you will immediately filter out most of realtors worth their salt. They're more likely to understand business and opportunity cost."

How did you come to that conclusion? Do you think no attorney is worth their salt because they charge an hourly fee? How is real estate any different?

Jon is not asking for a discount. He just wants to pay for what he's getting.

Post: [MN] How to Get Hourly Realtor?

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Jonathan Bombaci:

@Jon D. first off most agents work for brokerages and have commission splits like 70/30 meaning 30% of the commissIon goes to the broker. They really do not have a legal framework to agree to what you’re asking for because the broker calls the shots and the broker will still want their share of the total commission at closing to cover their expenses. In addition Agents at most brokerages are 1099 contractors, if a broker agrees to pay an agent an hourly wage for services rendered, the broker could then become subject to labor law issues. In MA hourly pay is one of the tiggers for needing to make someone a W2 employee. Labor law fines are not cheap. 

So don’t bother negotiating with agents, for what you’re asking you’d have to be negotiating with the broker. If you plan to do less than 10-20 transaction per year I doubt ANY broker, even the less successful ones, would risk their business model and expose themself to legal and liability issues, which could be significant, for 1 client. The successful brokers will get this and they’re not going to set a bad precedent to satisfy 1 client regardless of how many transactions that client intends to do in a year. 


If you do find someone willing to do this, if this isn’t their model for everyone they work with, then I would question their motives and you should expect to get what you pay for. 

Another example of why this would be an awful idea for anyone that treats real estate as a business is because it will inherently create a conflict of interest for the business owner. Do You think they will bring you off-market or pre-market deals where they could collect the full commission from another buyer? They’ll certainly be motivated to bring it to someone else first, which makes sense from every angle, but you’re paying them a hourly retainer which creates a significant conflict of interest for the brokerage and the agents. One such that if blows up could have very negative results. 

If you’re just looking for an agent to submit offers for you then do what the bigger investors and wholesalers do and hire a transaction coordinator or administrator with a real estate license as a W2 employee. You will have to go get your brokerage license or negotiate a deal with a broker so your employee can operate as a licensed agent. Then pay your employee an annual salary and still pay the broker a % of the commission or transaction fee at closing, but it’ll be closer to what you’re asking for. 

I know this is a lot, and probably not the answer you’re looking for but I hope it helps. 

Best,

Jon

Good points. The only way I'm able to do this is that 1) I have my own brokerage and 2) hourly is a small percentage of our business and 3) I do some of this myself and I'm W2. As long as you keep it small enough you don't get into the W2 issue. 

But as far as off market deals are concerned. Fair point from a buyer's perspective but sellers shouldn't use a broker that is shopping their property to favorite buyers without putting it out for everyone to bid on.

Post: [MN] How to Get Hourly Realtor?

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by @Peyton Leal:
Originally posted by @Gary Lucido:

@Peyton Leal, how do you know it would be a loss without a discussion of what your hourly rate would be?

*All theoretical time 
$1.2M beach house, 3%, $36,000 commission.

168 hrs (1 week of solid work throughout transaction) is $192.86/hr. I can easily spend less time on a property to meet clients expectations, so the cost/hr would skyrocket.
If someone wants to pay $375/hr (96) or $750/hr (48), maybe sign me up! 

The realtor would then want a guaranteed number of hours, then it becomes an argument and battle when you could have a cash cow STR.

$200/ hour is not a bad reference point but, as someone else pointed out earlier, you also have to factor in all the time spent on deals that didn't close. The best metric is to look at how much you make in a year and estimate the hours worked in a year. What does that average out to? If you're really worth that someone should be willing to pay you that much.

What ends up happening is that clients stop wasting agents' time when they pay by the hour.

Post: [MN] How to Get Hourly Realtor?

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48

@Peyton Leal, how do you know it would be a loss without a discussion of what your hourly rate would be?

Post: [MN] How to Get Hourly Realtor?

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48

Just to clarify...when we work by the hour we charge for all of our time, including driving and showing and talking on the phone.

Post: [MN] How to Get Hourly Realtor?

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48

What you are seeking is totally reasonable. But the only way it makes sense is that you pay the realtor on a retainer by the hour and they get paid whether or not you close. Then you get 100% of the commission when you do close. That's the way my brokerage does it but we're in Chicago. Not many do that but you can try Google - something like "pay realtor by the hour" or "hourly realtor".

Post: How to Go to Settlement Without Any Agents

Gary LucidoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 48

A lot depends on whether or not you will still be looking for another property after this one closes. The reason? Your agent was spending time with you expecting to get paid at some point in time. If you are going to buy another property soon then no problem. You can continue to work with that agent. However, if this closing means you are done for a while then you really should bring in your agent and pay them their normal commission. It varies by area but it's probably 2.5 - 3%. The fact that you found the property doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. That's maybe...what? 5-10% of the job?