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All Forum Posts by: Rodney Lorenzo

Rodney Lorenzo has started 13 posts and replied 77 times.

I closed on my 6 unit MF last November. I'm looking to cross collateralize to buy a second property, but don't know how long I should wait. I'm new and many recommend newbies stay away from such loans, however, I don't mind taking risks. Here's why. If I wait, let's say, 2 years to see how much equity I have, given that all mortgage payments are made on time, I'll find out how much money I can get through this method and how much through a HELOC. The goal is to tie the first property to the second one for 6 to 12 months, in which I'll use this time to make improvements, then refinance and untie them. What do you think? I don't want to keep them tied together forever for obvious reasons. The goal would be to acquire a larger property over 6 units.

Post: Forming a LLC for Property Investing

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I formed an LLC for my first commercial investment of 6 units. I intend to accumulate more properties in the future and each one will have its own LLC

Post: Best places to find off market deals?

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Quote from @Jourdan Mercer:

I'm fairly new to BP and trying to find my first deal.  I keep coming across people saying to try and find an off market deal.  Where is the best place to find off market deals?  Are there any sites that have off market deals?  

I keep coming across people saying to ask wholesalers.  Well, where do wholesalers find their deals? 

I tried to use the off market deal finder here on BP and I can't figure it out for the life of me.  I'm a pro member so I have no idea why it's not working for me...

If my location makes a difference I live in the middle between worcester and boston, ma.


 If you do consult with wholesalers, just know that many or most prefer all cash. Something to consider if you intend to finance

Quote from @Ronald Rohde:

Unless you pay for it, I'd consider nothing to be locked. Its just shady marketing/sales by the lenders. A lot of lenders will talk up a teaser interest rate, work your file towards closing, then spring a change on you right before closing. Many borrowers are stuck and have limited options so will still close at the lesser terms.

Always work multiple lenders toward closing to give yourself options.

How do you pay for a "lock"? Didn't know that was an option and why don't lenders offer it? When you say work multiple lenders while under contract, I also didn't know that was an option or even allowed. I have to submit paper work and if I have 4 lenders, I'd be doing this 4 times over? This lender also wants to have me unfreeze my credit reports right before closing so that they can see if my credit score dropped and it did. I had to take out a loan to make sure I had enough for reserves and closing costs. I'm sure they won't hesitate to use that against me by justifying an increase in the interest rate. There goes most of my cash flow. In RE, I've noticed that buyers usually get the low end of the stick in everything. Out of all the elements in an investment, it's the buyers that can get royally screwed over

Does the word "lock" have any meaning if the rate continues to adjust during that certain period? If so, why do some lenders use the word "lock", when it should be "conditional" that they need to use? As a newbie, this is very deceiving. I thought "locked" meant locked

Quote from @Manny Vasquez:

@Rodney Lorenzo  I would totally recommend that you work with a Realtor...all the time.  If the Listing Agent is not calling you back, not answering your text messages or emails and if he/she is not providing you with the financials you need to determine whether or not to purchase a property, how good of a job do you think he/she will do for you once you're in escrow???? During the escrow process is when you need the best representation for many reasons (i.e. turning in paperwork on time, contingencies, inspections, etc.) If you miss a "big ticket item" because you didn't know what you were doing or the listing agent was trying to hurry up and close the deal, could cost you thousands.  Another thing to consider, the Listing Agent was hired by the Seller, who do you think they will have a primary fiduciary duty to fulfill?

Don't worry, the market has now changed (or will change very, very soon) to a buyer's market. Listing agents will have to work a little harder to sell their properties. Part of the reason that Listing Agents were being so lazy these past 24 months was because it was a Seller's market. Anything and everything was selling in a very short while. All you had to do was list the property on the MLS and everyone in the world was anxiously waiting for new properties to hit the market. After the LA got the listing, they had little incentive to do much work since the property as going to sell quickly anyway. Or, if their respective state allowed for dual representation, the LA could "cherry pick" who they wanted to work with. If they could "double end" the deal, then that's who they would work with. I also totally agree with @Russell Brazil advice.  

So.....keep working with your Realtor.  The market has changed and soon you will have the answers you are looking for. He will be looking out for your best interests.


 Hi Manny, I appreciate the advice. I have worked with many realtors and most have been lazy and incompetent and this is CT, I'm talking about. This is why I approached an "investor friendly" agent on Biggerpockets in December, only for him to arrogantly pass me on to a less experienced agent in his firm. Didn't know that an investor's lack of experience had to match the agents. Like you said, how good do I think the LA will be in escrow if he's not returning emails. This is precisely why I need to approach the seller's agent. In CT, we have attorney's also, which have to draft up contracts, so he'll be aware of all contingencies and deadlines, after all that's what I'm paying him for. If I miss a "big ticket" item, it'll be my fault for not reading the contract. LA's have gotten very lazy in this market and don't need to lift a finger to sell a property like you say. I've worked with a realtor and, unfortunately, it's not helping me in any way whatsoever. This is why I need to turn to plan B, because at the end of the day, I won't just sit there and let a LA impede my investment process. Why should I? Would you?

Incredible how half imply that I stick with my agent and the other half don't. As a first time investor, I can only deal with MLS listings, so I don't mind approaching the listing agents directly as you suggest. One listing agent one time literally told me over the phone that they don't need other agents to sell their properties, alluding to your comment that listing agents generally serve the interest of the commission. In dual representation, they get to keep the full commission, so it would behoove them to get the buyer to make a strong enough offer so that it gets accepted. My agent was very responsive and very communicative, but unfortunately, he could not get listing agents to respond in a timely manner, if at all. There is a form that tells me if my offer was seen. My agent didn't even know about that form. He didn't even tell me that escalation clauses are not enforceable in CT. I expected him to know this info

Quote from @Justin Fox:

Realtors and the MLS are the gatekeepers to a sale generally. I think over time you'll find that realtors generally serve the interest of the commission, neither the buyer or the seller. They'll convince you it's a buyer's or seller's market and to pay asking or drop asking, whichever gets it to closing quickest. People would be much better off getting that % back in closing costs and still letting the title company to a majority of the work, lol.

Just like any business there are allies and rivalries, and politics involved internally as well. A realtor is going push a listed property, then a fellow brokerage's listing, a realtor friend's listing, a friend's listing, yours and FSBO offering buyer's agent commission last. They'll tell a buyer that FSBO house A is in a dangerous neighborhood but will tell that same buyer a listed home B around the corner is a great buy in a gentrifying neighborhood.

Having said that, you can travel the path of least resistance or not, it's up to you.  If you're only looking at listed homes, I would drop your agent and just contact the seller's agent directly and deal through them.

In a few years I'll have enough liquidity to offer in-house financing and avoid realtors and appraisers all together.  Utopia is real.


This is what I'm contemplating, is approaching the listing agents directly. They'll have less tendency to ignore my offers, emails and texts. I'll have an attorney draft up the contracts. I'll have an opportunity to walk out if I find too many expensive repairs that the seller refuses to address. Something that's already happened to me. Seller didn't want to spend 22K to replace a shoddy roof. One has to take risks to start investing and there was a time where someone with 200K cash could buy something. Not anymore. The good deals are too few and/or being sold by agents who possess a coveted list of their favorite buyers. Why else would they ignore me? I'm not part of their clickish group 

Quote from @Lynn McGeein:

If you're under an exclusive buyer broker agreement, you really should inform listing agent upfront that you're under contract with a buyer broker. It's usually in your exclusive buyer broker agreement that you will pay their commission if it's not paid by other side, usually even with FSBO's, so be careful that you're not hurting yourself there. If you're not under an exclusive buyer broker agreement, then perhaps dealing with listing agents directly can help. I have dealt with investors who contact me directly and choose not to use an agent to represent them (sign the unrepresented agreement before I show it), and my broker will on occasion allow a reduction of commission if it warrants it on a case-by-case basis, especially all cash, quick close, and buyer knows what they're doing so I don't have to work for them. If I have to actually work both sides (first-time buyer, for example) or buyer wants designated representative from my firm, then no reduction.