thanks all for the replies, sorry i was vague about the topic. Here is what he's been doing. He's a very smart guy but loves to shoot from the hip. When he started was very small then expanded rather quickly and was forced to roll all his houses under a company name instead of his personal name. He is at a point where he doesnt really need to borrow from the bank. but on these flips i believe he had a line of credit. He would market the houses for sale and if they didnt sell he found a tenant. He owns about 10 or so properties with tenants. Normally after he sales he reinvests his money into another house. I gave him an example last night of my situation on a personal house i have rented. I am making no money but breaking even with the bank. But if you look at it long term(30 Years) which is my loan life, all the interest i pay on my house at the end of it if i sold my house for +/- what i bought it for i would still not break even(due to all the interest i paid over the years. Right now his tenants bring about 300 positive cash flow when you figure in principle, interest. So thats why we were looking in whether we pay the bank of right away or just hold the loan. Bill Gulley i like where your going with your post. I guess we never really thought about it that way. i will let him know and we can strategize after we figure out whats really owed and what his lock is on the loans. Thanks again for all the help!