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All Forum Posts by: Rob Green

Rob Green has started 2 posts and replied 50 times.

Post: Forums

Rob GreenPosted
  • Investor
  • Mapleton, UT
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 11
Originally posted by @Jesse Russel:

I want to find other investors in Juab, Sanpete, carbon and Utah counties.  Its nice to network with others. 

 Hi Jesse, I'm in Utah county and I have family in Sanpete county. I'm happy to connect with you and share my thoughts with you on any deal you might be considering.

Best wishes,

Rob

If you're really in a situation that you don't have funds for even the filing fees for an eviction, you have a number of issues to address. I'd focus on risk mitigation at this point. Here are some options as I see it:

1. Contact your local REIA and see if any investors can or are willing to acquire the property from you. It's better to cut your losses now, heal and start again than be dragged on and bled more over time. You can always get back in the game.

2. As suggested by others here on BP, check your local University law school. They often have pro bono services and eager young attorneys. You're kind of taking a chance with free or inexperienced attorneys, but again, this about risk mitigation in a low resource situation. Your local REIA may also have access to free legal resources. Even community action groups might help you if you can demonstrate that your unit could be rented to one of their clients, if only they help evict the current squatter.

3. Offer a piece of your equity or cash flow from the property to another seasoned investor for handling the eviction. You're giving up a piece of the pie, but you may be able to save some equity and get a seasoned mentor to help you with this and future deals. 

4. I've also seen offering "cash for keys" to be very useful, even if you borrow the money or bring in a partner to cover the costs.

A lot of this depends on your timeline, if you're able to cover the PITI during the eviction process etc. Have you tried any of the above mentioned options?

Post: 45 yr old Newbie from Clearfield, Utah

Rob GreenPosted
  • Investor
  • Mapleton, UT
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 11

@Eldon S Bailey, welcome to the BiggerPockets forums! I think it's wonderful that you've already got a strategy mapped out. You've been given some great suggestions for resources by @Mark Nolan @Paul Timmins. Make sure to check them out.

I'd also be happy to review any deals you come across and give you a second opinion. Always happy to share my thoughts.

Good luck!

Post: Determining Market Value in Utah

Rob GreenPosted
  • Investor
  • Mapleton, UT
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 11

To find comparable values, you'll really need to connect with an investor friendly real estate agent. Utah is considered a "non-disclosure" state; meaning the sales price of property is not officially recorded. Sites like Zillow , as @Chaz S. stated, only provide "estimates" and, their STATED margin of error can be around 20%. That's a lot of margin to "guess". On only a $100k property, that's up a $20k of "guess". I don't know many investors who are comfortable with that much "guessing".

I'd suggest contacting any realtors here on BiggerPockets that you've read their posts and find them to be valuable.

Best of luck!

Post: Pharmacist from Utah

Rob GreenPosted
  • Investor
  • Mapleton, UT
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 11
Originally posted by @Nick Sparrow:

I've been reading the ultimate investors guide, and I'm realizing that I really don't have much to bring to the table as far as finding someone to mentor me. I think I'm not ready for a mentor. I think I need to read some more and start networking to even figure out how I want to invest. I work full time, so this is going to be on the side, but I've already listenes to two podcasts, and they are wonderful. The information that is shared here is so great. Thank you everyone for your contributions. What a great community. I look forward to getting to know many of you and finding out how some of my talents may be helpful to the community.

 Hi @Nick Sparrow! 

My mother-in-law lives in Vernal down the street from another pharmacist, (actually in Maeser). I was just out there two weeks ago. I'm out there fairly often.  I'd be happy to visit with you anytime. I imagine with the oil companies doing some layoffs, you'll see a fair number of deals out there currently. If you want a second opinion on any of the numbers of any deals you come across, I'm happy to share my thoughts with you.

Let me know if I can help you with anything.

Rob

Post: Real Estate Professional in Utah, 1st time investor

Rob GreenPosted
  • Investor
  • Mapleton, UT
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 11

Welcome fellow Utahn! If I can be of any assistance, feel free to contact me. :-)

Post: What do you use to find phone numbers?

Rob GreenPosted
  • Investor
  • Mapleton, UT
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 11

I've had reasonable luck with these three:

Anywho.com

PeopleFinder.com

Whitepages.com

Post: Are there many investors in the Provo, Utah area?

Rob GreenPosted
  • Investor
  • Mapleton, UT
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 11
Originally posted by @Lance Wakefield:

I have a few properties I am about to list right by BYU campus in provo. I bought one 8 years ago and the other is a fix and flip. Both are houses with mother-in-law apartments and are great live in rentals. I don't live there anymore but I still play in provo, it has great flips. 

Lance,

I used to live in McKinney and ended up in the Provo area. Loved it down there. How has your experience been with Provo city having rentals with Mother in law apartments? I've seen them require people to tear out an MIL if the main floor wasn't owner occupied. I'd love to hear your success tips.

Kind regards,

Rob Green

@Chad Clinton

That is a great question. First off, let me disclose that I'm NOT an attorney or CPA and you should check with your own legal and tax professionals regarding this issue. Your issue is complicated enough that you would best be served by professional legal counsel. That being said, here's what my non-attorney thoughts are:

1. Every loan document I've ever seen always has some phrase that says something that the loan will "inure to the benefit of assignees, beneficiaries and or heirs". In layman's terms, it means that even if the original holder of the loan DOES go out of business, the debt may still be valid. Someone else may own it now.

2. If the holder of the note had creditors themselves, their creditors could have (or may still be able to, depending on your state), taken that loan over, so they now own the note and you owe the money to them now. However, usually when this happens, they notify you and record their interest against the property at the county courthouse. I'm assuming, based on your explanation of the circumstances, that you have NOT received notice from anyone else claiming they now own the loan.

3. Depending on the original hard money lender's legal structure, he may now personally own the loan, meaning that he still may claim his rights to be paid if the property sells. 

4. If the lender has died and no one has claimed the assets of his business, the loan may be floating in "limbo", just waiting for someone to find it and claim its associated rights.

If you go to sell the property, the title company will do a title check and find out who is claiming the rights of the loan now, if anyone. Often, if they can't talk with the holder of the debt as listed in the official records, they will try to track down who the current holder of the rights may be, so they know where to send a check at closing for the amount owed to them.

All that being said, you being in foreclosure actually gives you a bit more leverage with the hard money lender. Being in second position, their options are limited. Is the value of the property less than amounts of the two loans? If so, then the HML is likely to receive little to nothing from the sale of the property. Perhaps you could negotiate with the HML for a reduced payoff so they will still get paid something and they'll let the sale of the property go through and collect something rather than nothing. Sometimes this forgiveness of debt can be counted as income by the IRS, so check with your CPA to see if this applies to you or if you can qualify for the IRS to waive any taxes due on the forgiveness of the debt.

Did you sign a personal guarantee with the HML? If so, even if the property is foreclosed on, and they lose their lien on the property, you'll still be responsible for the full balance of the loan.

So, all of that being said, I'd also call your local title company and ask them to run a preliminary title report on the property. Then,  I'd recommend you visit with your attorney and CPA and lay out the situation to them. See what they suggest.

Best of luck!

Post: WHOLESALE with IRS & Ex-Wife issue.

Rob GreenPosted
  • Investor
  • Mapleton, UT
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 11

Well done @Dennis Williams! I've had to deal with people having IRS liens that weren't disclosed. It can feel like a real gut punch when the title report comes back and you find that out! 

I think your story is a great example of staying focused and being committed to a successful outcome.