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All Forum Posts by: Rick Ursery

Rick Ursery has started 1 posts and replied 10 times.

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Russell Brazil @James Wise  one other point 

after the 3rd run up of CA values I found myself with massive appreciation in 2001 and cashed in and took a year off I bought a home on a golf course in Kelowna BC  fished  skied had my boat there.. good buddy who was a united pilot had a nice float plane etc etc.. even with all those percs  it was and is still a very foreign country..  so 12 months later sold it all and moved back to Portland.. Plus I was board.. and started to build new business's 

grass looks greener.. for sure but unless they are fluent in the local language there is going to be some major adjustment specially the kids.. al though kids are more resilient.  its one thing to take a month in Italy on vacation and its another to live in a foreign country.. not that it cant be done.. but for me.. ya give me the good OLe US of A  LOL  

Living overseas is a huge adjustment. It's one thing to be assigned to an Embassy, but quite another to live overseas permanently. After awhile the cultural differences become pretty overwhelming. After 2.5 years of living in a Portuguese speaking country and learning and using the language, I would say I'm just now getting pretty decent at it. The kids will be native speakers relatively quickly. I don't know their reasons for moving, but it has to be more than just taxes and things like that. People have no idea how incredibly, unbelievably awesome and unique America is until they live overseas. For me personally, I can't give the Morrises the benefit of the doubt. They nor their team ever reached out to me during this ordeal. When I reached out to them basically asking when the rehab would get done (spoiler alert:  never), they threw their hands up and blamed other people. They never tried to make it right, and in fact they never did anything but obfuscate. I bought for roughly $47.5K and sold for about $3K. Subtracting fines and taxes, that turned into $1K. It'll take a long time to pay down the loans. 

I bought a home from Morris Invest January 2018 in Indianapolis. I did zero due diligence. I jumped in hook, line, and sinker. No appraisal, no nothing. I completely and foolishly trusted Clayton. Paid $47.5K. While I can't know what Morris' motivations are, or what's in his heart, what I can do is recount what happened. February 2018 I received an email from Linzi del Conte stating that rehab was in progress. Specifically, demonstration is complete and electrical and plumbing have started. In the email she said that they would send photos once the work was completed. I was so excited to hear that news. In April I emailed her to see how it was going. I was looking forward to receiving those rent checks so I could use them to pay down the personal loans I had taken out. She responded that as soon as she received pictures, she would send them. I emailed again later that month. She responded that she had inquired with the rehab team and would let me know when she had a response. I emailed again in May, asking for an estimated date of rehab completion. She responded that they shoot for rehab completion in 90 days. I emailed again later in May, and she cc'd "Gina" from Blue Sky, asking her to let me know how the house was coming along. Gina never responded, to my knowledge. I emailed again in June. She cc'd Gina again and said Gina could get "the latest update from the field". No response from Gina. I emailed again later in June, and she said Gina no longer works there but that Pam could help me. Pam said she didn't know if any work was done on the house, and as far as she could tell no work was done. The whole time, obviously, absolutely no work had been done on the house. 

At no point did anyone from Morris Invest offer to work with the state of Indiana to recoup the funds, as Clayton said in one of his responses on the BBB website. No one from Morris Invest said anything, except to eventually tell me that they also lost money working with Oceanpointe. Honestly, I didn't even know what Oceanpointe was until I read these forums. Morris Invest did not present a way forward. Morris Invest did not explain what had happened. They were evasive, slippery, and shifty. 

The obvious question is why would I invest the money in the first place. For those of you out there who are hurting with this, let me offer the following. I have a very successful career in the military and in my line of work I've seen just about everything, including people taken in by financial scams. Yet, I was duped. Here's my best explanation. At the time, the logic as presented by Clayton was solid. You buy a house and rent it out. You deal with the vacancies and the repairs, but you get the rent to mitigate any losses. I recall in one of the videos that Clayton ridiculed people who questioned real estate deals. He asked that people overcome their hesitation and "get out there, become a real estate investor." He also downplayed the benefits of a 401k or IRA, implying that you could just buy a few houses and be set for life. Paraphrasing, he said that if you retire in your 60's or 70's you're pretty much too old to enjoy it. I was taken in by his arguments that real estate could lead to financial freedom. It never occurred to me that in America the money could be taken and the rehab just never done. Because that would be criminal, right? And criminals are prosecuted, right? Yes, it was stupid, and there are probably a couple hundred of us who were taken in, in pretty much the same way. As I watched Clayton's videos, I was being groomed to remove any doubts in the back of the mind and to take the risk, which wasn't really presented as a risk. Ultimately, that's on me. I've seen some comments on these threads about people needing to take responsibility. We do. We take responsibility every time we make those monthly loan payments. We take responsibility as we live below our means to be able to make those payments, even as we watch Clayton and his family take summer vacations to Europe and post the pictures on facebook. The responsibility is ultimately on us, whether we take it or not. Telling us to take responsibility is like telling the Pope to become a Catholic.

The loss for me was huge. Not only the purchase price, but the insurance payments and the loan interest on top of that. Not to mention the opportunity cost for $47K? We're talking about a lot of money. Money that could have gone to charity, to education, to retirement, to anything other than Clayton's pocket. I've reached out to several agents and wholesalers, and I'll be lucky to get a couple thousand for that house. 

A couple of positive comments to close with. This was a harsh lesson, but a valuable one. If anyone is reading this, please ensure you do due diligence before making any kind of a deal. Avoid Morris like the plague, at all costs. As Jay Hinrichs has explained, the business model just doesn't work. The only thing that I can't really get over is that he's still out there luring in "investors" [suckers] exactly as he did with me. I am one of the lucky ones. Some people took loans on their 401k and completely emptied their retirement savings. I had briefly considered buying more than one house from Clayton. That would have almost completely wiped me out. Many I presume will need decades to recover financially after having spent a lifetime of work saving money. It's just sick. This experience may well have prevented me from being taken in by a larger scam down the road. Finally, it's cliche and small comfort to those who lost a lot of money, but at the end of the day money doesn't lead to happiness and things happen for a reason.    

Post: Bad Deal Exit Strategy

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Looking for advice. In a nutshell, I purchased a home in Indianapolis from Morris Invest in the blind with zero due diligence for about $48K. None of the promised rehab was completed. Morris Invest told me flat out they will not reimburse me or have the rehab completed - I'm on my own. [On a side note, I'm filing a complaint with the AG, but that's not relevant to this specific post]. The house is uninhabitable, full of trash and fire damage. Would take maybe $30-35K to get it rent ready. I spoke to a local property manager who said that neighborhood is known for squatters, break-ins, and high crime. It's technically in a "C" neighborhood but that's being very generous. I was quoted about $8K to clean it out, and be able to sell the home for maybe $15K. Looking for advice as to whether I should try to sell as is at a huge loss to a wholesaler, or clean out the home and then sell at a huge loss. Obviously, it would come down to how I could recuperate more money. Has anyone experienced this or been involved in a similar situation? Thank you in advance.     

Post: Fund and Grow testimonial

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My strong recommendation is to avoid Morris Invest at all costs. I've posted my story on a couple of these forums. Please feel free to direct message me for details. There are hundreds like me. In a nutshell, you buy a house for about $45 or $50K in a war zone. The house is worth maybe $10 or $15K, and the rehab just....never....quite....seems...to get done. You call and email, they evade and deflect. Eventually they tell you the rehab never got done because...[fill in excuse here], blah blah blah, and you'll have to go out of pocket by $25 or $30K MORE if you want to make the house ready for renting. That's the Morris Invest definition of financial freedom. I thought I could trust him from his website, youtube videos, podcasts, prior career on TV, etc. An excellent salesman. I almost have to admire the skill of his scam.  

Post: Turn Key Morris Invest

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Candi, I'm in the same boat. Lost a lot of money. I take it as an important lesson learned the hard way. I see my options as selling at a huge loss as is, paying for the required refurb and then trying to rent, or paying to make the house ready for presentation and sale, and selling at a huge loss. Haven't decided yet. The only thing that still bothers me about this is that Morris is still putting out youtube videos and still scamming people via his website. I'm starting to believe that what he's been doing may in fact be technically legal. A lot of time has passed and there's been no criminal legal action taken, that I'm aware of. Morris himself certainly doesn't seem fazed by any of this. Regardless, what he's doing is pretty sickening.  

Concur with all of the advice in this thread. Stay away from Morris Invest at all costs. Your money will be lost. The house I bought in Indiana looks like something out of World War Z, now 7 months after I bought it.  Morris Invest informed me that they will not reimburse me. Too bad, so sad.  

Post: Story with Morris Invest

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I had the exact same experience. Got hooked on Morris' podcasts and videos. He talked about spending more time with family via passive income earned from real estate. An excellent salesmen, encouraging people to just "dive in there, become a real estate investor." I believe that biggerpockets has taken down the youtube video they did with Morris. I can't locate it. I bought a home in January and a few months later, after getting very little communication and vague updates, I discovered that the home is uninhabitable and a complete disaster. Lesson learned the hard way. Morris takes zero responsibility for this, and continues to peddle the scam. He blames Oceanpoint, even though on his website he advertises that he will take care of everything. I'm out $48K. I know that personally I'm basically screwed, but I'd like to find a way to warn others and/or shut his scam down. Some people have given him a lifetime of savings with nothing in return. I really don't know how he can even look at himself in the mirror.   

Just wanted to give a perspective of why it appears many of us were taken in so completely by Morris Invest. I'm very embarrassed to have been conned like this, as I consider(ed) myself to be realistic and careful about investing. I followed the MI podcasts and youtube videos for several months. Clayton was on national TV on a Fox News program and his wife Natali was at one time on MSNBC and other programs. The celebrity I think bought legitimacy, completely undeserved as it turns out, and I was taken in by the allure of passive income via real estate investing. I jumped in without due diligence, because I just didn't know what I didn't know and I trusted Clayton and his business. Now I'm out about $48K plus expenses and whatever it will take to clean up this mess. I learned an important lesson the hard way. Hopefully others see this and steer clear. The Morris Invest website, podcasts and youtube channel are still going full speed. People are still buying homes from MI. It's amazing, and a financial tragedy. At least for now it appears that the scam will continue unabated. Not for me to know or decide, but it seems that Clayton and his business will continue this charade with no consequences. I can't point to specific laws broken since I'm not a lawyer or in law enforcement, but I can tell you that I paid $48K for a completely destroyed home. It's not even good enough for squatters to occupy. It may turn out that separating money from suckers isn't against the law. We'll see.  

Not to pile on, but I wanted to share my experience with MI. I'm doing very well financially and may retire in a few years. I'm a newbie to real estate. Got hooked on MI youtube videos after reading Rich Dad Poor Dad and seeking knowledge in real estate via podcasts, biggerpockets, etc. I purchased a home in Indy last January via MI for just under $50K cash. Was told rehab should be done in 90 days (it's now been 4.5 months). I dove into the deal without having done due diligence because frankly I was just excited to "start earning that passive income" and it all seemed pretty straightforward. Sent a few polite e-mails inquiring about status starting a couple months ago. The replies were delayed, sporadic, and very vague. As of about two weeks ago, the responses stopped altogether. The property management company I'm working with is called Blue Sky (blueskyteam.net). A lady named Becky sent me the agreement forms awhile back which I signed and returned. I e-mailed her a few days ago and received an undelivered message, because that e-mail address no longer exists. I called Blue Sky on the phone and spoke with someone who said that Becky was out of town and I should speak with Morris Invest about the status of the rehab. I left my number but haven't received a call back.  They were courteous but after getting what I perceive to be the run-around and no idea what's going on, I need to consider options. Any advice would be very welcomed. Don't worry about being blunt, I know I screwed up. :)  At this point, I own the property (have the recorded warranty deed), and I just want to rent it out, even if it's for a small amount.