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All Forum Posts by: Rick Hanrahan

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Post: What software do you use to stay organized

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 10
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@Scott Luetgenau. Analyzing deals is definitely an essential skill set for the investor. I’ve been at it since 2010 and built a fairly robust Excel spreadsheet for underwriting deals. It has numerous tabs that are all interconnected and self populate based on the variable cells. I’ve built and tweaked it over the years. I’ve also tried numerous other software and solutions to include BPs. I believe BPs software is fairly good. It definitely has a nice finished report. However, I believe one of the most important features for underwriting is comparing and contrasting different scenarios with a quick glance (to save time). This allows the investor to truly understand the numbers and deal as a whole. It allows the investor to cut the wheat from the chaff so to speak. I usually utilize at least 3-4 scenarios, in separate columns, that can be easily viewed side to side. BPs, while pretty, does not offer this feature. You would have to run the numbers multiple times with different scenarios to “see” this. The spreadsheet I created is somewhat similar to Micheal Blank’s apartment syndicator deal analyzer - which is likely one of the best on the market for analyzing apartments. Either way, creating your own underwriting spreadsheet or getting software will dramatically increase your efficiency and allow you to underwrite many more deals thus improving your skill set.

Good luck!

Post: Investors - How Do You Track Your Properties?

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 10
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@Steven Thoma. You’re question is a good one. I faced a similar problem and ended up creating custom designed Excel spreadsheets that auto-populate with each other. I hired an Excel coder off Fiverr and told them what I wanted. I already had the spreadsheets built out fairly well and asked the coder to fill in the gaps I couldn’t figure out. I personally think these sheets are better than what I’ve seen on commercial software primarily because I built them from an investor’s perspective based on our priorities. With that, I’ll be the first to admit that Excel really is not designed for this type of stuff. Glitches do come up and as we continue to grow our portfolio it will eventually become too cumbersome to maintain. But it works for now. I’m now considering teaming with a software buddy to build custom made software. We’ll see what happens. Cheers!

Post: Property Mgmt Software Recommendation (too small for Appfolio)

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 10
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Paul:  Can I ask how many doors you currently manage?  And approximately what you pay with Buildium (or what features you pay for and find useful)?  It appears that Buildium and TenantCloud are the best two options for the smaller landlord/PM.  Thank you! 

Peter and All: My wife and I own and operate 21 units.  We built our own Excel customized spreadsheets and have used them over the last 5 or so years.  However, we plan to grow this year and see the value in moving to dedicated software.  Did you evaluate TenantCloud (TC) or Buildium?  TC appears to be pretty good albeit a bit lacking on accounting.  Buildium looks to be more expensive but perhaps a bit more robust with accounting and would allow more room for growth.  

Our accountant has clients that use Quickbooks to manage hundreds of units.  However, they had to fully customize Quickbooks and spend thousands to do so with a big learning curve.  Based on our research, while Quickbooks is great for accounting, it is not a property management software.  I agree that AppFolio is too expensive for the smaller landlord/PM but would be an ideal pick with hundreds of units.  

It is definitely a bit challenging to find a workable PM software solution for the smaller landlord/PM that meets all our needs.  In that, I would say the PM software needs to offer the following major features in today's market:

- cloud based

- mobile friendly 

- full accounting capabilities for Schedule E taxes (both per property and in aggregate) - So we don't have to use Quickbooks too.  This would include synced capabilities with bank accounts and credit cards.  

- customizable docs (e.g. leases, lead based paint, etc) with e-signature 

- online payments

- online work orders/maintenance requests 

- customizable reports 

- synced online advertising to all major platforms (e.g. Zillow, realtor.com, Craigslist, etc.)       

- fully trackable by landlords, vendors, and residents (i.e. all can access the PM software for their concerns)

- communication feature for landlords, vendors, and residents (i.e. to eliminate back and forth email & have a documented history of that communication)   

- decent online learning center

- decent customer support 

- fair price with ability to grow with software

* capability for background and credit checks [these will obviously all be at additional cost] 

Any other insights/guidance others are seeing would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you all!

Rick 

Post: AGENT SUGGESTS I OVERBID AND SEE IF HOME APPRAISES THEN NEGOTIATE

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
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@Jim Cummings I concur with Jim’s comments. For an investment, I would say to stay clear. It is foolhardy to buy in the “hopes“ of gettIng a “good appraIsal.“ I understand this tactic may be “normal“ in competitIve markets. Well, that is also where people are overpaying. Don‘t succumb to the pressure. Rather, continue to grind until you fInd a deal. OtherwIse try a dIfferent strategy or market. But If you are buying as a prImary residence, you may be willing to overpay a little to get the house. Just be cognizant that you are overpayIng based on personal preference. Another way to think of it, as a play on Warren Buffet‘s 2 rules: Rule 1 - Buy low, sell high. (As you’ve likely heard many times, you make your money on the purchase.) Rule 2 - Don’t forget Rule 1 Good luck!

Post: Are you prepping for the crash?

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
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Michael,

That is the question, and good one.  I would concur with the majority of commentators, including numerous lenders I work with, that we are likely somewhere in the 7th inning of the market cycle.  With that, I wouldn't venture to guess what that means...i.e. a year, two years, or many years more until we enter a market correction.  However, as a history major and former economics instructor, there will be a market correction.  When that "market correction" will occur, to what effect, and the causes and implications are all very different questions.  No one can know for sure.  But the smartest investors know it is out there...like fishing when you can see the fish but nothing is biting.  Eventually, the fish will get hungry, and the biting will start.  And when it does, if you're sleeping, you'll be out of luck. 

So, how to prepare?  Most pundits offer very little here in my opinion.  Some say put money in bonds, get conservative, to even stop investing.  I disagree, and concur with many of our fellow BP contributors including: John Warren, John Blackman, Jordon Moorhead, Andrew Syrios, and Paul Bryzek.  The culmination of their comments offer a good position to take in preparation for an incoming market correction.  

When it comes to real estate, always buy for cash flow first, next appreciation, then principal reduction and tax advantages.  With that, I concur to a great degree with Ben Leybovich (from prior threads) that investors typically make the largest gains through appreciation in typical 1-4 unit residential investments.  However, cash flow must always be the first target.  If a property cash flows little and the market dips, you're now in the red.  Or as Warren Buffet says, when the tide goes out you'll see who is naked.  

Cash flow is king for a reason.  So, if you are concerned about the real estate market where you invest (i.e. there are around 400 markets within the U.S.), then definitely ensure you have healthy cash flow.  But then again, if you're in this business for any length of time, you already know that. 

Cyclical markets like the East and West coasts, and Sunbelt states are typically the most volatile.  Midwest states historically have been more "boring" and less volatile.  Then, within these larger regions, certain counties and cities offer different opportunities.  The bottom line is that you have to know your market cold - like the back of your hand, so to speak.  A superficial knowledge of your market could leave you in a precarious situation when the market corrects.  

Wealthy and prudent investors are building up their reserves for when the market takes its turn.  Then, when "their is blood in the streets" they will swoop in to purchase at rock bottom prices. [from Baron Rothchild 18th-19th Century British nobleman. He made his fortune following the Battle of Waterloo and the panic that ensued in the early 19th Century. The Rothchilds have maintained that wealth through the centuries and some estimates rank their family wealth near 1 trillion plus.] This is nothing new.  It has been around for millennia.  The modern family offices, i.e. wealthy families with tens of millions, are doing this now.  But, alas, for the average investor, we can do the same on a smaller scale.  We should continue to invest as long as it makes sense.  But we should also be ready with cash reserves to purchase when the market takes a down turn.  

As to other investments, like stocks, bonds, etc. that is also an important, but altogether different topic.  I'll stick with real estate with this thread... 

Thoughts? 

My best!

Rick 

Post: Looking for investors

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 10
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Joe,

Welcome to BP! I am also a NE Ohio investor from the area. Not exactly sure what you’re looking to do - I.e. partner with another investor; sell certain properties; etc? 

If you want to PM, let me know. 

Rick 

Post: Wholesalers, are you ready to DIE for your deal?

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 10
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Rob,

Great post! Very well stated. Might you be able to provide a brief example of a wholesaler who did it “right”?

I concur that the popular flipping TV shows do a great disservice to the average real estate investor. Those shows are designed to ENTERTAIN and get as many people to watch as possible to sell TV ads. They do a superb job in that sense. However, they are not designed on the fundamentals of the business. Even the ones that discuss certain financial aspects are generally way too simplisitc. Then, newbie real estate investors try to emulate what they see on TV which is a course for ruin in most cases. 

I am a practicing attorney (that also invests in real estate) and have litigated dozens of trials in the courtroom over the years. As a legal analogy, in jury selection, many folks believe what they see on legal TV shows is an accurate representation to our criminal justice system. Many trial attorneys call this the “NCIS Effect” after the hot TV show. These TV shows have subverted what many Americans come to expect in evidence. For example, I have joked with jurors that of course they don’t expect law enforcement to collect DNA, track down the fugitive, solve the case, get an indictment, and successfully litigate a complicated trial in 22 minutes with 8 minutes for commercials. Further, the vast majority of cases do not have DNA or forsneics. Rather, they have witnesses who must testify under oath based on their recollection of events. I digress...but I hope the point is clear. 

Real estate investing is not a “simple” enterprise - at least to do it well and with any sustainability. It is easy to dabble like an amateur golfer. But if you want to build a business around it you must first become a student of the game, surround yourself with experts, and build healthy relationships with people you trust. 

All the best! 

Post: I want to get into Rental RE Investing - Need Advice!

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 6

Brian,

Welcome to BP! I’ve been investing for 8 years and now have a decent sized portfolio. Your question is actually quite deep and involved. A paragraph response, or even a few pages, would not suffice. It would only be surface dressing to all your follow up questions. 

I concur with some of commmets already posted. It is one thing to read about and even IM about REI. It is an entirely different proposition to actually purchase an investment property - especially your first investment property. It is very fact specific and there is no "perfect" answer. Rather, you have to find what works best for your situation and goals. With that, building relationships with people you trust is absolutely key. REI is a people-based enterprise.

I am 37 and work full time as an attorney. I invest part time and also assist others. If you would like to talk, feel free to PM me. I had some mentors when I started and look to pay forward to others.

Good luck! 

Rick

Post: Looking for Real Estate Agent - Canton, Ohio

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 10
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Kevin,

I am a NE Ohio investor who've been investing for 8 years.  However I currently live out of state because of work.  I work directly with a great local agent who is well versed in investments who lives in Brunswick.  I know he covers Cleveland, Akron, and all the surrounding suburbs.  I'm not sure about Canton but if he doesn't he likely knows someone who does.  Feel free to PM me if interested for his contact info.

Good luck!

Rick 

Post: Having a problem with a Brrr Refinance

Rick HanrahanPosted
  • Attorney
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 6

Ryan,

You may want to try First Federal of Lakewood (FFL) or LimaOneCapital. FFL is a local bank that I've worked with for years and they are very solid. FFL keeps some of their own loans in-house, i.e. as a "portfolio lender." However, I do not recommend asking if they are a "portfolio lender." That term is constantly misused on BP from an investor standpoint. Banks don't really use that term. Rather, just ask if they would be able to loan on your situation. With that, if you are looking to refinance, most banks will do is 75/25 LTV based on an objective appraisal after you've fixed it up (i.e. it's rent ready). Additionally, most banks will require a vesting/resting phase of anywhere from 6-12 months, i.e. you'll have to own the property that long before being allowed to refinance. (Note: If you know of any local NE "portfolio" banks that don't require this, I'll all ears!)

LimaOneCapital (L1C) is a national lender.  I've spoken with them on the phone and heard about them through other investors.  They literally cater to real estate investors and have many different types of loans.  With that, their interest rates and terms are generally not as good as your local lender.  L1C is otherwise filing a niche that many banks don't offer.  And by doing so, their charge a premium (in my opinion).  However, L1C may work for your situation.  I have not personally used L1C because I prefer working with my local lenders whenever possible.    

I've from NE Ohio and been investing since 2010.  I also cannot get "normal" financing anymore - like your situation - but for a different reason in that I've hit 10 loans.  So, I work with local lenders willing to lend to a borrower with 10 loans or more.  Most banks won't do this because they sell their loans on the secondary market to Fannie and Freddie which don't accept loans from guarantors with over 10 loans.  However, banks that keep certain loans in-house don't have to follow the guidelines of Freddie and Fannie.  Rather, they have their own guidelines on those.  

If you want to PM me, let me know.  

Good luck!

Rick