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All Forum Posts by: Richard S.

Richard S. has started 3 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Automate my 4-plex: Poke holes in my plan? Other suggestions?

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Marcus R.:

#1 and #4 seems like overkill for a 5 to 30 min drive.

ISPs can see individual IP addresses so I think the OP is OK if any user violates the terms, conditions, and/or AUP of the ISP but I agree I still wouldn't provide the internet.  I actually think the OP is violating the terms, conditions, and/or AUP by reselling the product unless they have an executed reseller agreement...

Internet is a commodity with low switching costs so the markup would be razor thin so I wouldn't think tenants would be willing to pay much extra and I'm sure they would want some performance minimums and you'd be the customer of record who'd need to call in trouble.

Since it's 5 mins from your work why not drop by once a month (you could do this on your lunch break) and walk the property.  By automating too much away you the run risk of slowly thinking "I wonder why I haven't heard anything? Is the building still standing? Did tenants vacate? Are they smoking in the property? Did they get pets? Etc..."

Thank you, Marcus. I appreciate your insight on the internet ROI. We may convert two units to MTR so I think we'll revisit that at a later date out of necessity.

Post: Automate my 4-plex: Poke holes in my plan? Other suggestions?

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Richard S.:

I wouldn't do it.

You want to spend $1,000+ for equipment then $1200+ a year for WiFi so you can monitor the sprinklers?  A water leak is pretty rare and typically results in a few hundred dollars added expense. Those WiFi locks seem pretty nifty until they fail, they are hacked, or your Tenant isn't tech savvy and could care less about learning how to use them.

I just don't see how the additional cost is justified.

Oh man, my wife loves your response. She's been trying to talk sense into me but I just love the new visibility you can get with IoT devices. In the end, you are likely right, especially on the recurring WIFI cost. Thanks for your thoughtful response.

Post: Automate my 4-plex: Poke holes in my plan? Other suggestions?

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

Sounds like a fun project, but really overkill. A security camera might be worth it, but security lights are usually more effective to prevent issues in the first place. You can add a fake camera for effect. Wall mounted lockbox for contractor access.


 Very fun, right? I've got the lockbox and key code entry for contractor access already. I think you are right that this is sufficient. Thanks for your time.

Post: Automate my 4-plex: Poke holes in my plan? Other suggestions?

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Patricia Steiner:

A couple of thoughts:

1.  Using wireless entry is great - especially when the tenant can choose their own code which provides for peace of mind/added security.  BUT - you then have to install a mechanical keybox on site for each unit because 'wireless' is far from consistent.  First, it goes down.  It can also be jammed by other signals/devices.  Then there are people who just want a dang key.  I am a fan of wireless entry but only with a on-site backup in place (not disclosing the backup code until needed).  Security cameras are a must have in urban areas but I recommend hardwiring.  

2.  Wifi access.  Great for vacation rentals - not for long-term. Many remote tech workers are required to use a particular vendor.  And, others - including me - will not use a 'group' wifi for safety reasons as it is a threat to personal information.  If your router was to get hacked, are you willing to assume the liability for your tenants' data breach?  I would rethink this one. Also, if the vendor's system goes down, are you willing to take complaint calls from tenants?  That's what results when the landlord provides the service.  

3.  Sprinklers/water leaks...overkill for sure.  

Investment properties are not where we live and over-improving is the #2 reason why landlords fail (#1 - failure to manage to the lease). My recommendation would be save all these great ideas for your home and never over-improve a property for the market...there's no ROI for it.

Hope this helps.  


 Love this detailed insight, especially the tips about why landlords fail. Would you mind providing a source article/book where you've seen these failure reasons? I'd like to get more details on "failure to manage the lease". Thanks for your time!

Post: Automate my 4-plex: Poke holes in my plan? Other suggestions?

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8

I own and self-manage a 4-plex in a neighborhood about 30 minutes from my house, 5 minutes from my place of employment. I plan to purchase an internet plan for the site and install a mesh wireless router system to boost the signal to all 4 tenants. Here is why I want to do this:

1. Use this as an optional revenue stream in providing WIFI to the tenants at a low cost.

2. Run security cameras in the laundry room (had a few issues with theft), boiler room, and the outside of the building for tenant security/general monitoring. Also can use to watch irrigation system and ensure it is running on time.

3. Install water sensors in all leak prone areas of the apartment and set up the automated alert system.

4. Use leak sensors (Yolink WIFI water sensors)  to close a mainline water shutoff valve, either automatically or from the app upon notification.

5. Control and monitor the irrigation system over WIFI with an Orbit Bhyve controller (ROI: can rain delay to save water automatically).

6. Use WIFI controlled door locks on front hallway and boiler room to allow access to contractors when I am unable to be there (not access to resident units - I will always be there when contractors are there).

Much of this likely seems like overkill, but my experience has been that installing these systems provides significant peace of mind and allows for further automation (Example: water leak: Open maintenance ticket and dispatch automatically). Any changes you would make here? Equipment suggestions? Automation hacks or podcasts/blogs I should read about this? 

Thanks for your input and time!

Post: Services for disabled tenants

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Ron Brady:

We anticipated this prior to making an offer and were advised by an attorney that a MTM lease in CO would allow us to simply end the lease without having to state any additional cause. As a voucher recipient in a non-section 8 unit, there are really no special protections working against a landlord. Great suggestion; thank you for the input! 

Post: Services for disabled tenants

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Mackaylee Beach:

As previously mentioned, you cannot force someone to seek assistance. I would provide her with recommendations and advise to obtain assistance. Inform section 8 of her living conditions, they should be conducting their own inspection as well.  Keep all records of your inspections and of you informing Section 8.

Just sent them an email so we have it in writing. Great suggestion, thank you!

Post: Services for disabled tenants

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Richard F.:
Aloha, 

The best thing you can do as a new Owner, is determine the steps to non-renew. Hopefully you didn't actually have her sign a new agreement... You DO need to contact the Section 8 office and inform them of the Ownership change, and at the same time locate the caseworker for the Tenant. Advise them of the unsafe/unsanitary conditions the Tenant has created, and that you will work within the the law, but need the Tenant to relocate. Offer 90 days as a timeline to vacate, although this will likely depend somewhat on the actual current term of the HAP contract. Also insist on the caseworker inspecting the unit, with you present.

Check locally for "ageing in place" for tenants, there are bound to be advocacy groups that will have resources.
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I think this is the approach we will need to take; we did have her sign a new agreement as we were underway when she conveyed why the unit was in such bad condition. The good news is that we are MTM so ending the lease is not a challenge aside from moral implications. I’ve informed her caseworker of the conditions she’s in but was informed that the tenant has to call and personally ask for help? It sounds like we’ll need to have her call and request resources or we’ll end the lease and move her out. 

Post: Services for disabled tenants

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8

I recently purchased and investment property with a ~ 15 year tenant in one of the units (section 8 voucher recipient). This tenant has suffered a medical condition resulting in a rapid deterioration in her health. This health condition prevents her from doing much more than just using the toilet. As a result of this, she is unable to cook, clean or even shower. The condition of the apartment has suffered due to this disability as well. I just learned of this while going over the lease with her yesterday. She is not technologically savvy enough to figure out what services are available, nor does she really have the energy to fight through administrative hassle with finding services and getting answers. It appears she tried for some time but felt she was getting the run-around. She is barely able to hold a conversation without being completely out of breath. Considering she is on constant oxygen and receives a section 8 voucher, I assume she is already plugged into some assistance programs. Can anyone point me in the right direction to getting her services, and with which agencies? Is there a chance we can get her a case worker that will keep me from becoming the middle-man for her? Greatly appreciate the help!

Post: Need advice: Need to move a section 8 voucher tenant

Richard S.Posted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 8

I am currently under contract on a multi-unit building in the Denver area that is at full occupancy. Two of the units are in dire need of renovations; they have not had any updates since the 1960's so the plumbing and electrical need overhaul as well as flooring. Our plan was to allow the month-to-month leases to expire for these two tenants so that we could get into the units and make these needed renovations. The issue is that one tenant is elderly and disabled so we'd like to assist her in finding a more suitable place to live. Apparently she has been there over 10 years and has not missed her portion of the rent. I've tried calling HUD for assistance but can't get anyone to call me back. Does anyone have a need for a 1 bedroom renter, section 8 voucher? She has two small dogs that appear to be house trained. Thanks for any advice or help!