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All Forum Posts by: Richard Rohrbough

Richard Rohrbough has started 2 posts and replied 36 times.

Post: New investor ready to take action

Richard RohrboughPosted
  • Boerne, TX
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 24

@James Chambers I agree with Rick. Start by joining any number of real estate investor groups. Alamo REIA (https://www.alamoreia.org/) is a good one. Go to their calendar to see upcoming events and start attending. Later, if you want to join, I believe it's $197/year. It's a very active group. Like Rick, I also attend BREW in Boerne. 

There are also lots of San Antonio-area Facebook groups you could join. Some are more active than others, but all will help you get educated about REI and will help you meet and connect with like-minded people.

I would gladly take your tenant right now in one of my rentals! Send her my way!

Good tenants are hard to find. Good tenants who pay above market are even harder to find. Don't fix what isn't broken! Odds are you'll end up wishing you had not increased the rent and kept this tenant.

Post: What would you do?

Richard RohrboughPosted
  • Boerne, TX
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 24

Thank you, Michele, Richard, Nathan, Irving, and Carlton. I appreciate the time you took to offer your opinions and advice. 

Update: I told my tenants on June 1 that I wasn't renewing and the lease would expire July 31 (60 days notice)...so they haven't paid for June yet (June 23) and I suspect they won't pay for July either. I have begun the eviction process (for non-payment and other violations of the agreement) even though it likely won't wrap up in time. This needs to be on their record to forewarn other landlords. On to the next tenants!

Post: Propstream or Propwire

Richard RohrboughPosted
  • Boerne, TX
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 24

Good question. I've been using Propwire for the last week and have wondered how accurate it is. I did a search on vacant properties and then did a drive-by test yesterday. Four of 8 properties I checked were indeed vacant, so 50% accurate in this small, anecdotal test. I appreciate that Propwire is free, so I'll continue to use it unless the data proves to be inaccurate. 

Quote from @Jeffrey McKee:
Quote from @Richard Rohrbough:

Hello BP friends. I need your help on what to do with my rental.

My monthly mortgage payment is greater than the rent I can get by $150 and the 2023 taxes are going up another $150/month.

I’m sure this is a common issue, so what are my options beyond the three I can think of below? Anything creative?

1. Ignore it/deal with it/subsidize it with other properties until someday rent catches up with my payment (meanwhile equity should have grown).

2. Make a large payment against the mortgage and ask the mortgage company to re-amortize the loan so that my monthly payment is less than what I can get for rent.

3. Sell the house (and make a better purchase on the next property).

 A couple of questions first.  How long have you owned the property?  What was your reason for buying the property in the first place and what was your original exit strategy?  Can you sell for a profit today?  What city and state is the property in?  Is the long-term appreciation worth eating the monthly cost of holding?  Will it value your business to have this loss as a write-off?  Are there better places for you to put your capital?  

Good questions, Jeff. Thanks for sending them my way.

I bought the property a year ago (June 2022), rehabbed it over the summer and then tried to sell it in the fall. The market had dropped significantly such that I would have lost money on the house, so I decided to rent it out instead. Even at a loss each month, I felt it gave me a chance to someday get back to even or more whereas selling would be an immediate for sure loss!

My reason for purchasing was to fix & flip to gain cash, not cash-flow. After doing a few f&f properties and building up my cash, I then planned to shift to focusing on cash flow. So, I likely will continue with my plan of f&f to build up cash (plus keep this one property that isn't cash-flowing), but try to do a better job of buying right.

I can't sell for a profit today, but it would allow me to pay off the mortgage and have about $50k in cash to deploy again.

The property is in San Antonio. As for long-term appreciation, it's possible, maybe even probable. It's in a downtown neighborhood that is regentrifying, so I think there will continue to be interest in homes in this area which should help with appreciation over time. 

There's some short-term benefit to writing this off, but there's probably a larger long-term benefit to keeping it if it appreciates and cashflows someday.

I don't have a specific property in mind that would be a better place for the cash, but I do believe that I've learned a lot over the last year and that I can use that education to make better purchases going forward. However, I don't have to sell this one property to make better decisions on the next property. I can keep this one property that isn't cash-flowing AND make better decisions on the next property. As my portfolio grows, I'll be less concerned about this one property AND I'll be giving the property a chance to get back to even or more.

Quote from @William Powell:

I had this issue when I refinanced a free and clear property. The problem: I've got twelve properties and the refinanced one was losing $70 a month after paying taxes and insurance.

I bit the bullet because I needed the cash to rehab another property but shortly increased rents across all my properties to balance the books.

I increased rents on all units creating another $900 out of thin air. My commercial bldg received a $500 increase and the other units totaled $400 in increases. Wow, $900 just like that! This is what I did and I hope it helps.


Thanks William.

I only have one other property currently, and I did bump the rents up there, but mostly that was for the tax increases happening on that property. As I mentioned in another reply, if I had more cash-flowing properties (like you), then I probably wouldn't be worried about this one property not cash flowing. When I look at my portfolio of 2 properties, I am cash-flowing. I may just stay the course with this property and focus more on the overall portfolio performance.

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Your property taxes are increasing $1800? (From negative $150 to negative $300/mo). That’s not good. A bad year for me is a couple hundred more. 

What I meant but the “if $151/mo would make all the difference” comment is if you had it, you couldn’t count on it. A fridge, a furnace, an ac unit could go bad and it would all be gone. So if you NEED that $151, this isn’t the property for you, you can’t afford it. 

One of my best investments was negative $800/mo cashflow. But I was paying off $1,500/mo in principle with a low interest 15 year mortgage. I was making $8k while showing a taxable loss of $12k (providing an additional $3k) while it appreciated about 5%/yr (generating another $30k/yr). So I was feeding the property $10k/yr to make $40k in year 1, the worst year. Now it generates $30k in Cashflow but it’s almost all taxable.  But I was ready for that investment because I was about making money, not cashflow. 

Your numbers don’t sound so promising. The tax is a killer. Would you make a profit if you sold? How much would you have left after taxes? Is there anything better to buy? You know this deal, paying $20-30k to buy something else has to be for a known better deal. Are you using a PM? Are you sure you’re getting market rents? (If you’re not using a PM contact a couple, give them the address and so them how much they would charge, how long it would take to fill, and what they charge you. You might find your net is higher than doing it yourself.) try to find a local expert. Good luck. 


 Again, good perspective, so thanks for educating me on how to look at this situation.

I retired early last year at 57, but want cash flow to cover my living expenses so I can let my 401k/retirement nest-egg ride until I'm 65 or whenever I want to tap into it. So cash flow is more important to me than increasing my net worth. However, I'm not saying that perspective is the right one. I'm open to thinking differently if I should be.

Taxes are going up from 5122 to 8634 this year, an increase of nearly 69%! I'm fighting the increase, of course, but that likely means it only comes down a smidge from 8634. The monthly increase is $293, and I'm already short on cash flow by $96/month, so I'll be short $389/mo unless I can increase rent.

At current rent of $1625/mo., my annual revenue on this property is $19,500.

Total expenses with the new tax increase per month is $2014 or $24,170.

A cashflow loss of $4,670 for 2023. 

This leads me back to the question, do I take option 1, 2 or 3 or some other option/perspective I haven't considered? I do have another rental property that is doing well and can cover this gap. Maybe option #1 (subsidize it) is best and I need to turn my attention to finding better cash-flowing properties.


 Is that typical in Texas?  A house that only rents for $1700 has taxes of $8600???

Really?  How can you make any money in Texas?  It would take almost 5 months of rent just to cover insurance??  Are you sure that’s right?  In AZ it’s about a months worth of rent to pay for an entire year of property taxes.


Hello, Albert. Yes, really! You said it would take 5 months of rent to cover insurance, but I think you meant taxes. The proposed taxes for 2023 are $8634. At $1625/month in rent, it takes me over 5 months to cover the taxes, and less than a month to cover insurance ($1320/yr).

That leaves principle and interest at nearly 9 months to cover. So, the rental income runs out before the obligations to PITI. There's nothing left for CapEx and routine maintenance, among other things.

So, I have to either:

1. raise rent / generate more rent or deal with it

2. make a large payment against my mortgage to recast my monthly payment

3. sell

A lot of good comments here already.  @Richard Rohrbough I am going to assume that your primary goal is cash flow.  Thoughts:
1.Whether to buy or sell is a function of whether or not a different property will improve your financial goals with another property.  So, what would it look like if you took your equity in this property and put it into a different property? Could you achieve your cash flow goals?

2.The CapRate is a fundamental way to measure two different properties ability to produce income relative to their cost.  What is the current cap rate on this property vs. other properties in the market?

3. There is an easy to use software called property llama that allows investors to put their property financials into the system and run "what if" scenarios. (propertyllama.com) - It's free to use right now -  Full disclosure I am helping them go to market, but am a firm believer in the intersection between goals and the most important financial measurements.  

Hope this helps. 


Thanks for the reply, Paul.

My goal for this property was cash. Not cash flow. I wanted to build up cash with a few fix & flips and then use the cash to purchase for cash-flow. 

Instead, by the time the flip was ready to sell last fall, the market had dropped significantly such that I would have lost a significant amount if I sold. So, I switched to a LTR strategy where I'm losing some each month. The thought there is selling is a for sure loss while losing a little each month at least gives me a chance to get back to even or more on this property. I only posted my situation here to see what the BP community would advise. And they've come through with lots of things to consider, and you have too. I'll check out llama and see if that makes my decision clearer.

Quote from @Account Closed:

You might want to fight to lower the property taxes, then look at cutting operating costs. $150 a month isn't the end of the world, without looking at exact numbers, you must be paying down the mortgage balance each month so even paying $150 a month isn't really a loss on paper if $500 is coming off the balance each month with the rental income.

Paying 5 to 6% of the market value to sell is a certain loss but again I don't have all the numbers in front of me.

If it has a good rental history and is in good condition then I'd keep it. 


Hello, AC. I could have stuck with my plan and sold last fall after I finished the rehab, but that would have resulted in a sizeable loss. So, I decided to rent, even at a small loss each month, instead of sell. Selling last fall, and even now, would be a certain loss. Losing a bit each month but waiting to see how things play out in the future at least gives me a chance at recovering. So that's how I ended up changing my plans to renting...and I should probably give that plan a chance to play out.

Quote from @Richard Elvin:

@Richard Rohrbough My decision process would run something like this:
How much capital is tied up in this property?
What can/will I do with that capital if I sell?
What is the opportunity cost if I pay down the mortgage and recast?
What is the long term benefit of adding another bed/bath? 
What is the roi of adding another bed/bath?

This is one of the hardest experiences with REI. The market/rules/regs changed while you were in the process and now you're having to adjust.
I wish you the best and hope this was useful!


Thanks, Richard. All good questions to ponder. 

If I had another couple of cash-flowing properties, I wouldn't sweat this one property not cash flowing. Instead, I'd probably even add a 2nd bathroom and maybe a 3rd bedroom. Given this thinking, I probably should just continue renting this property out for what I can get, and seek better investments elsewhere. In other words, while I want each property to cash flow, I should take a step back and look at my whole portfolio. 

Quote from @Peter Giannotti:
Quote from @Richard Rohrbough:

Hello BP friends. I need your help on what to do with my rental.

My monthly mortgage payment is greater than the rent I can get by $150 and the 2023 taxes are going up another $150/month.

I’m sure this is a common issue, so what are my options beyond the three I can think of below? Anything creative?

1. Ignore it/deal with it/subsidize it with other properties until someday rent catches up with my payment (meanwhile equity should have grown).

2. Make a large payment against the mortgage and ask the mortgage company to re-amortize the loan so that my monthly payment is less than what I can get for rent.

3. Sell the house (and make a better purchase on the next property).


 Have you considered renting the house out by the room? This typically increases rental income upwards of 50%.


 I have listed it on Roomies and I've been pleasantly surprised by the interest in my house. We'll see where this goes.