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All Forum Posts by: Jessie Griffin

Jessie Griffin has started 6 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: Funding Needed for Triplex near Beach in Florida

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Looking for a private lender to complete a deal on a triplex just 2 blocks from the beach in Pinellas County, FL. This would be a buy and hold, short-term AirBnB rental. I currently have a cash flowing rental property and have also completed a flip. I have not included address or photos as the offer has not officially been accepted and is contingent upon financing. Please take a moment to review the numbers below and let me know if you'd be interested in funding this cash cow. Cheers.

Purchase Price $275,000

Estimated Repairs & Remodel Updates $20,000

Closing Costs $7,000

After Repair Value $335,000

Equity Gain $33,000

80% of Purchase Price Financed through Original Loan -$220,000

Buyer's Personal Investment -$25,000

Total Loan Requested $57,000


Annual Gross Rent @ 70% Occupancy $40,000

CAP Rate 12% (under short-term rental estimates)

Post: Florida Tax Certificate & Lien Bidding Group w/ 8-12% Ave Returns

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Howdy Fellow Pocketers! I have a bidding group started for some of the Florida counties tax certificate auctions coming up this month. The more bidders we can get in the group, the better chances we have of winning the highest % of interest. 

I am a data analyst with my MBA and and an emphasis on finance. I have designed an algorithm that has proven to find the certificates with the highest probability of redemption. Average annual returns to our clients are 8-12%. The certificates are secured in our clients names directly by the county (all public record) and we offer our clients an exclusive Buy Back Program if the certificates aren't redeemed.

Anyone interested in joining our group? Click the link below for our info packet. Due date for this year's group bidding is Wednesday, May 24th

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxyuXCiHlodmdzlXdkl5Nk12VFU

Post: Florida Tax Certificate / Tax Deed Questions

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Howdy @Bastian P.

These are all great questions and you are thinking in the right mindset. Please see my responses below in italics:

1) Lets assume I have a tax certificate and now want to get a tax deed for that property. If I understand this right, I first would have to buy any other outstanding tax certificates for that property, plus interest, before the process can start?

Yes, exactly. You will never want to go through this process as it's ridiculously time consuming (6-9 months before the auction actually takes place from when the deed application was filed) and will cost you more than your investment is worth. For example, in Pinellas County, when the clerk approves your application, you have less than 2 days to respond and pay any remaining recording fees which have to be done at the courthouse. If not done promptly, you risk your application being denied and the county keeps all your money.

2) From your experience, how much are the fees that come along with a tax deed sale? A rough ballpark would help me.

A good estimate is roughly $1,000 in addition to the past years taxes plus interest. There are recording fees, application fees, stamp fees, advertising fees.... you get the picture. I actually purchase expiring tax certificates from people who don't have the time, money, or will power to file for the tax deed.

3) I assume these fees would not be shared with the other tax certificate holders, i.e. the one who actually applies for the tax deed is the 'lucky one' who has to pay all the feeds. Yes? Or would the fees be covered / reimbursed from the sale price of the property?

By "shared" you mean split between the tax cert holders, correct? Whoever files for the tax deed has to pay 100% of the fees. The amount of the fees are public record and can be found in the tax deed court case documents. The good thing is, you will be reimbursed every penny you've paid once the auction is held for the deed (assuming someone bids on it). The minimum bid on a tax deed covers all your expenses.

4) I found tax certificates as low as 40 USD. Why could it make sense to buy such small amount tax certificates at all? Because the costs to get a tax deed would most likely be much higher. Maybe I am missing something. 

I buy tax certificates and tax deeds and can tell you $40 liens are usually the sliver of land next to a power plant that even the alligators won't cross. It is very appealing, but you are better to bid on the $500+ certificates. The Brevard site (and many others in Florida) has a great search feature where you can pull a report on the certificates by how many previous years are still owed, if other certificates have previously been redeemed, and even what type of property (SFH, land, mobile, etc.). You can play around with this using common sense to determine which liens have the best chance of being redeemed. The $40 certificates are bought by people who have not educated themselves on the full process of tax lien investing unlike yourself. This is why so many certificates expire every year, because it is simply not worth applying for the deed.

Some notes to take away:

  • Certificates less than $500 are usually vacant land. These can be good because there is less competition, but most likely no mortgage company to pay the taxes before they foreclose on the property. 
  • I recommend you find the Brevard Tax Deed Court document search online and look up a few from the most recent auctions. The case files will most likely show you a list of fees and other goodies. Best advice is to not buy certificates that may not be redeemed by using the Report/Search feature on the BidBrevard website. 
  • If you end up buying a certificate that does not redeem after 2 years, you can still hold it for another 5 before it expires. The interest will keep accumulating the same and hopefully someone after you will file for the deed and pay off your balance. Many times I get a check in the mail from a certificate being paid and it's from another investor (that bought a different year's certificate) that filed for the deed and had to pay my balance off.
  • A neat bonus that usually isn't promoted is that no matter how soon a certificate is redeemed, the investor will get a minimum 5% return. Meaning if you buy a certificate in June and the homeowner pays their taxes in July, you would actually be paid 5% return on your investment, instead of the 1.5% (18%/12 months). My theory is that this is why all the hedge funds bid 0.25% on all the single family homes in hopes they will be redeemed within 5 months to actually get a 5% return.
  • You can see an example from what I mentioned above by looking at the Brevard 2014 Tax Year certificate #8439 (account # 2812693). On 10/08/15, my company, Blue Coast Property Group, LLC bought an over the counter certificate (leftovers that no one bid on at the June auction and were assigned to the county for a full 18% interest to whoever wants it) for $250.63. The interest rate was 18%. The taxes were paid on 12/19/15 and we were sent a check for $263.16, yielding a 5% ROI for just 3 months. The annual yield on this technically ended up being 20% (2% more than the guaranteed rate) which is why tax liens are flippin awesome!

Hope this helps answer your questions. Cheers and happy bidding next month!

Post: Using Family Member to float FHA Loan

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Thanks everyone. Yes, I do not plan to live there, just looking outside the box for creative financing since I know someone who is wasting this beautiful investment opportunity by renting all these years.  

Mr. Jessie Griffin 

Post: If you only have $5,000 cash and $15,000 credit...

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Still looking my friend. I've heard many bigger pocket readers recommend John Park at PGI investments. I spoke with him and he seems to be the most knowledgeable and well priced.

Post: Using Family Member to float FHA Loan

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Howdy fellow Pocketers! I have been watching all the podcasts, reviewing all the articles, and reading all the books and there seems to be a recurring theme to get an FHA loan for the 3.5% down and live in the home for a year. I am grounded in a home already and have a family, but I DO have a family member who is a traveling nurse. He moves all over the country (always renting an over-priced apartment) and most of his contracts are 1-2 years. I'm wondering if anyone has had success with "pimping" a friend/family member to get the FHA loan and live in the home for a year? Can the deed be transferred into the LLC while the FHA loan is active (or even after one year)? Would it make a difference if I made him a 1% partner in the LLC? My thought is to find a multi-family, float a note for the down payment to him so he can buy the property in exchange for deeply discounted rent. All the expenses, land-lording of other tenants, and dirty work would be taken care of by my company. Basically, he would be living for dirt cheap rent so we can use his credit for a cheap down payment. I know this opens a whole can of worms regarding taxes, but I read a similar situation that can be done and wanted to hear anyone's personal story? Cheers.

Post: If you only have $5,000 cash and $15,000 credit...

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Kin, I plan on opening an SD Ira this month specifically for tax liens. There are so many easier ways to avoid taxes when purchasing and renting properties. Definitely talk to a financial planner. They will save you so much more money in the long run. Also get a CPA ASAP. No matter what they cost I guarantee it will make you more later on. 

Post: If you only have $5,000 cash and $15,000 credit...

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Hi Kin, yes feel free to add me and ask away. I have only been doing a couple years but made sure to read all the books, watch all the videos, and learn every statute before I spent any money. Just started looking at other states when a friend of a friend said he's acquired properties from the liens in Iowa. I would have to make a trip of it if I wanted to invest so u do have to factor that in. 

Post: If you only have $5,000 cash and $15,000 credit...

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Kin Lay, I applaud your enthusiasm and ambition to get a jump start right out of the college gate. Tax Liens can be awesome investments, but do make sure you do your homework and read all of the laws and call the local courthouses to talk to someone about any questions you have. A 5-minute conversation with someone who is full-time, knee-deep in it is priceless. 

With that said, I invest in Florida tax liens and am also looking into Georgia and South Carolina this year. Florida is different in that you do not get the property if the lien is not paid. Most people do not understand this. After two years with no redemption, you can file for the tax deed to get your money back. At that point, you will have to pay an additional thousands of dollars to pay off all the other years tax liens, government fees (about $1,000), and then wait 6-9 months before the property goes to auction. At that point, you can then bid on it if you want the property, but if that is your goal, you might as well just watch the monthly tax deed auctions and buy them without investing in the tax lien for 2-3 years. The tax lien auctions happen once a year and they are drowning in big hedge fund investors that bid down the good liens to 0.25%. Everyone talks about Florida with the 18% interest which does happen, but you must be willing to take your chances on a piece of land that may or may not get paid. I have had luck with smaller counties and you can still go down to 15% and get well-looking liens. 

If you are interested still, be sure to check the history of any liens you are bidding on. The counties that use the Grant Street Group (such as www.bidbrevard.com) are in my eyes the only counties you should buy from. All the information is provided on the website in their database when the lists are released around mid-May. You can check if the property has previous liens that have or have not been redeemed, if it's single-family, land or commercial, etc. Everything can be done from your couch with a cold brewski in your hand. (Don't drink and deed though).

If all else fails, you can wait a couple months after the annual auctions and the counties will put up for sale any liens that did not get bids, all guaranteed 18% interest. These are "over the counter" and you can find on lienexpress.net.

You can actually look there now and there will be many from years back. Of course, these are usually the lesser liens so definitely use caution, but they can be lucrative with no competition.

With that said, there are multiple websites you may need to utilize. The annual auction takes place on the counties tax website. The over the counter (or left over liens) are usually found on Lien Express and the monthly tax deeds are found on a different site. Almost all are managed by www.grantstreet.com.

I just bought this book and am looking into a self-directed IRA for maximum tax advantages. Hope this helps and good luck my friend!

The Secret Synergy Group System For Investing In Tax Lien Certificates

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1482052695/ref=o...

Post: Tax Deed in Atlanta question

Jessie GriffinPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Petersburg, FL
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 18

Asim, I've invested in Florida tax liens and looking into Georgia. Would love to get any tips from you?