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All Forum Posts by: David D.

David D. has started 10 posts and replied 53 times.

Post: Insurance for flip homes

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Will: Good to have another carrier to get a quote from, thanks. The way you posted you makes it sound like we are skimping if we don't pay more than the next guy. Doesn't it come down to the coverage you are getting? Just because you are paying more doesn't mean you are getting more.

Post: out-of-state real estate broker disclosure laws

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J Scott: Same in California. If you are acting as an agent AND principal you must disclose.

If you are a principal that happens to have a license but not acting in the capacity of that license for a particular transaction there is no legal or department of real estate regulation requirement to disclose that you are a licensee.

With the exception that our local mls requires a licensee to disclose that they have a license in the mls listing even if they are listing with another broker.

Post: out-of-state real estate broker disclosure laws

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There is no law, or ca dre reg, that requires you to disclose license status if you are only a principal. I say 'only' because you have a boat load of disclosures if you are acting in the capacity of your license and as a principal.

Your local mls rules might require you to disclose license status when selling. But there is no law that I have ever seen that requires a ca broker to disclose license status when acting strictly as a principal, if anybody knows of such a law please site.

Post: Insurance for flip homes

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Joel: I got a quote from American Modern for the same property, it was more expensive, I went with the cheaper Foremost. I don't know which has better coverage i didn't read either policy.

Yes, friendly lien heloc, i guess i switched the heloc source from bank (what the thread assumed) to private, but i don't see a private friendly heloc any less legitimate than a bank heloc other than what you pointed out about it looking a little fishy. A bank heloc (first choice) would look better than a private heloc no doubt, but harder to qualify and not in the amount to really cover the equity, thus limited protection. Is a private loan any less legal than a bank loan? I think not.

You get a reconveyence at the time the lien is created, but don’t record, so if/when private heloc lender is run over by a bus, no problem.

This is a good thread, hope it keeps going. I haven’t tried any of this stuff, just thought and read about it.

Post: Insurance for flip homes

David D.Posted
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Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
You need either empty house or builder's risk. Yes, its quite expensive. Some companies have "fully paid" properties where you're on the hook for the full premium even if you sell after holding only a week. Others will pro-rate the premium and refund the unused part. And, yes, its difficult to find this insurance. Most companies won't write it. The one policy I currently have is with Foremost.

Jon: I have one policy with foremost too. I haven't received the policy yet to read it. do you know if it has workman's comp coverage? My ins agent says it does but I have doubts. And, yes, it's expensive, $2,800/yr for $220k coverage, vacant policy. According to my agent it will be prorated.

I think Mitch (bullet 1) is saying you can draw up or down on a heloc prior to being served, and I would agree. The issue is more what happens after being served. I'm suggesting you can draw up after being served if the money is used for a legitimate purpose, like defending the lawsuit that started the whole fiasco...how can you not be able to do this.

The reason you want a heloc 2nd vs a straight 2nd is so you can legally create a lien without actually transferring money. If I wanted Mithch's friendly lien bullet 2 to succeed in court I would make the lien a heloc, either 1st or 2nd, that way it's legal and nobody actually had to front any money.

Nobody's talked about a friendly option as a alternative. This might even be a better solution.

Originally posted by Mitch Kronowit:
Originally posted by Bryan Hancock:
The question remains whether or not the "Mitch technique" or recording of legitimate 2nds from private lenders to mask equity is okay... What are your thoughts on the "Mitch technique" (my apologies to Mitch!)?

No problem, Bryan, but I can't really take credit for this. :wink:

I looked into this technique a little more and in order to clarify a few things, this is what I found.

The term "equity stripping" has also been used to describe a predatory loan practice that was common among some sub-prime lenders. They would basically write a loan for the entire equity in the home hoping the unqualified borrower would default and lose the home to the lender in foreclosure. Let's keep this distinction in mind.

My asset protection attorney says the type of equity stripping we're discussing here falls into basically 3 categories.

1. The HELOC or 2nd mortgage - This is the best and most legitimate way to strip equity off your property. You don't even need to draw on the HELOC, just have the amount recorded. You can give any reason you want for taking out the 2nd mortgage and any reason you want for either not drawing on the HELOC or paying back most of the 2nd right away. Just don't draw on the HELOC after getting served papers (as discussed above). :nono:

2. "Friendly" liens - Have a good trusted friend or family member place a lien on your property. You can even "trade" liens by doing the same for their property. But unless there is truly a valid loan being paid to your "friend", this technique is likely to fail in court.

3. Use your own entity to place a lien - This is the least desirable of the 3 because the loan could easily be proved a sham under discovery.

But, as I've said above, these are all "preventative" measures to make your assets very uninteresting to a money-grubbing plaintiff/attorney. Avoiding a lawsuit is much better than fighting one. And if you do get dragged into a legal battle, none of these techniques are going to help. Hence the need for insurance, limited liability entities, and good ol' common sense.

You're going to need to draw on that HELOC after being served to defend the lawsuit. If you can't defend you will lose for sure...guaranteed success for the plaintiff.

If my Corporation wanted to do a fix and flip, I could 1) put the necessary money in the corp (either as equity or loan) and do the purchase, fix, and sell; or 2) The corporation could purchase and fix the property using financing. Am I doing something wrong if I, personally, loan the money to my corporation using a note and deed of trust, in an amount equal to the actual cash needed to do the transaction?

Post: Pulling Credit

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Thanks for the response.

Where would they go to get their own report? Is there a way to be assured they haven't changed the report?