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All Forum Posts by: Michael Williams

Michael Williams has started 24 posts and replied 87 times.

Post: Is this the usual attitude in wholesaling?

Michael WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Memphis, TN
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Michael Williams:

I have always told possible sellers the whole story. Just this morning I looked at a property that a coworking wants to get rid of because his family outgrew it. He moved into a bigger house and is now paying two mortgages. 

This is how I explain it to all of my motivated sellers. "I work with a group of investors that pay me a fee for finding properties that fit their criteria. In order for them to buy your house, I must do an analysis on what I think the possible repairs would be on the property and I make an offer to you based on that analysis. We first subtract 70% from the price of what the price of the home would be if it were completely renovated, then we subtract the cost of any repairs. I present the offer to several investors that will let me know if they are interested. If none are interested I will get with you to see what we can adjust to make this deal go quicker and stay within the best interest of both you and my clients. Are you O.K. with that process?

His response: I don't care, I just want it gone. I said "will you sell for what you owe? His response. "Yes whatever it takes for you to make the deal work, I don't want to pay nothing out of my pocket".

The Stress of paying two mortgages and a wife nagging you about it can be a powerful motivator. He is very motivated!!

If you truly have a motivated seller even the total truth won't stop the deal.   I'm drawing up the contract now.     

 this works in certain areas of the country were landlords are burnt out and or neighborhoods have turned for the worse.  Non starter in higher value or robust markets just not going to get anyone to sell you a home at 70% of market minus rehab.. 

 
Normally I would agree with you on that point. But I believe if you are in this game long enough and let EVERYONE know what you do these opportunities will present themselves. Even though I agree with you I still believe this type of opportunity exists in the high-end market so I just want to be prepared with the right knowledge and people skills no matter what market I reside. 

I remember when I first started wholesaling in Atlanta there was a builder that had a gorgeous home that he had built by hand in Alpharetta, GA. He wanted $440,000 for this home because he was building another somewhere else. He was a Master Builder. 

I went and met this guy and his wife and he said if I could find him a buyer for his price he didn't care how much I made, he just wanted $440,000 out of it. 

He had it appraised and it was worth $1.1 million. If I would have known what I know now I could have flipped that house and made $60,000. He said he was O.K. with that. I didn't have the right knowledge or right connections at that time to close that deal. 

I discovered real estate investing when I moved to Atlanta in 2015, where I did two deals then stopped. I relocated back to my hometown of Memphis after retiring from my job of 27 years. Just jumped back into real estate and used my same old tactic to get a wholesale deal. I've had a CASH 4 HOUSES sign on my car for one month and I get the attention of one of my coworkers that said they are looking to sell a house. 

We set up the appointment and I ask the textbook questions. To my surprise, I get the textbook answers. 

The seller said that he outgrew this house and moved to a bigger house because the wife (Boss) was complaining. [I know the feeling]. I look at the house and explain that I work for a group of investors that buy houses. Textbook responses:

Me: Is there still a mortgage on the property
Him: Yes about $67k (comps put house at $93k)
Me: How soon are you looking at moving on the sale
Him: Yesterday
Me: Do you want to get any money from the property
Him: No I just want it gone
Me: Will you sell for what you owe
Him: Yes, but I don't want to pay anything out of my pocket
Me: Are you willing to sign documents giving me the right to verify the amount you owe
Him: Yes
Me: There are many ways my investors can buy your house, are you open to creative ways other than cash
Him: As long as I don't have to pay that note. How soon can you let me know something, I need this done
ME: We like to cross all of our "T"s and Dot all of or "i", so we like to give ourselves 30-45 days but the goal is to make it happen sooner. I will write up a contract and we can both go over it in a week. 
Him: Great

It get's no better than that. 

His monthly note is a bit high at $810 per month. Rent-O-Meter has the rent at $934 for that area.

My strategy is to develop relationships with loan officers that have relationships with people that can afford a home but can't qualify through traditional means. The goal is to create a lease option wholesale deal that will require a $10,000 non-refundable deposit from a tenant buyer that will go towards the purchase price, which will be $110,000. I will be able to get this because the potential client CAN NOT qualify for a loan but has sufficient income to pay the new payment which will be $1,100 per month. 

I will market as a No Bank Qualifying home. I am an internet marketer and graphic designer that create my own ads. Plus I understand the power of good Ad copy and storytelling.  

I will get $10,000 on the front end, $300 (minus insurance) monthly, and $40k on the back end.  Let me know if I missed anything or can make it any sweeter?  
   

Post: Is this the usual attitude in wholesaling?

Michael WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Memphis, TN
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

I have always told possible sellers the whole story. Just this morning I looked at a property that a coworking wants to get rid of because his family outgrew it. He moved into a bigger house and is now paying two mortgages. 

This is how I explain it to all of my motivated sellers. "I work with a group of investors that pay me a fee for finding properties that fit their criteria. In order for them to buy your house, I must do an analysis on what I think the possible repairs would be on the property and I make an offer to you based on that analysis. We first subtract 70% from the price of what the price of the home would be if it were completely renovated, then we subtract the cost of any repairs. I present the offer to several investors that will let me know if they are interested. If none are interested I will get with you to see what we can adjust to make this deal go quicker and stay within the best interest of both you and my clients. Are you O.K. with that process?

His response: I don't care, I just want it gone. I said "will you sell for what you owe? His response. "Yes whatever it takes for you to make the deal work, I don't want to pay nothing out of my pocket".

The Stress of paying two mortgages and a wife nagging you about it can be a powerful motivator. He is very motivated!!

If you truly have a motivated seller even the total truth won't stop the deal.   I'm drawing up the contract now.     

Originally posted by @Tom Gimer:

Need more info. 

Were there one (1) or more named remainderman and, if more than one (1), was a tenancy stated for the remaindermen?

If facts turn out as you described, the estate of the deceased sole remainderman owns the property... so somebody likely needs to start the probate process.

 

Hi Tom, it was just one Reminderman

Originally posted by @Elizabeth Wilson:

@Michael Williams - I won't begin to understand any of that!  But will tell you that we worked with an estate planning and probate attorney in Memphis to do our planning and such.  It might be worth the cost of the consultation of any probate attorney in town.

Also find out who is paying the taxes for the last 10 years.  That might be your clue to who is responsible and will give you an address.

Thanks Elizabeth, that sounds like a plan. 

Originally posted by @Ethan Henning:

Micheal I see that you have investors that are buying properties from you? I have inventory of off-market properties that may be easier to transfer title if you are interested :)

 
Yes I am very interested, let's connect. 

One of my neighbors passed away about 20 years ago. Her husband passed some years prior. A granddaughter stayed in the house for several months but later abandoned it. The house has been vacant for about 10 years now. I researched and found out that she was a LE(Life Estate) and named, I think, her husband the REM (Reminderman). They are both deceased. I have a two part question. 

1. If both the LE and the REM are deceased what happens to the deed? 

2. If the REM is her son and I can't find him how can I approach this? 

The house was and still can be the nicest house on the block if fixed. Over 90% of the houses on this street are free and clear and they take care of their community.  I have Atlanta and Nashville investors interested in me finding properties for them in Memphis so I plan to flip it to one of them. 

If anyone here understands how the Life Estate and Reminderman works please help me out.   

Post: New investor diary - Follow along in my journey

Michael WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Memphis, TN
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Originally posted by @Eric Merhar:

My name is Eric, and I'm an aspiring out of state investor.  I've listened to @David Greene's podcast and bought the book - and now here I am, sitting in a Greensboro, NC coffee shop documenting my journey so far.  Now, I'm not the best writer but I hope that you find my story interesting and will follow along.

I'm based out of Everett, WA which is about 30 minutes north of Seattle.  I've been searching locally for a property for the past two years, and I gotta say that if your goal is to cash flow, you better look elsewhere.  It's an expensive market with real upside for appreciation.  If you are a buy and hold investor like me, it's just not going to work for you.


I decided to expand my search to the rest of Washington state and even parts of Idaho, but nothing fit my criteria.  Defeated, I gave up.  I just couldn't find a deal that made sense. 

After listening to David's podcast on long distance real state investing, I took a look at the other businesses that the company I work for owns.  Low and behold, there were a couple in the South where the numbers make a whole heck of a lot of sense for me.  I settled on Greensboro, as there appeared to be properties that fit my criteria.  

This was back a few months ago, and my wife was tired of me waffling.  'Just buy a plane ticket and GO, Eric!', she would say.  Yeah, yeah I'll get to it.  I continued to research and plug numbers into spreadsheets, but was unable to do it.  I decided that the only way I was going to do it was to announce it publicly.  I'm an admin of our area's local ChooseFI meetup group (a podcast focused on financial independence), and during our meeting in January I announced our plans to the group.  Folks where very interested to hear about it, and cheered me on.  Now that I'd committed publicly, it was time to get off the pot so to speak.

I booked my tickets to Greensboro, and reached out on the beginner forum to announce my intent and see if anyone was willing to meet.  Leveraging the connections made there and additional cold calls, here I am meeting with investors and realtors to hatch my plan and get after it.

I'll keep posting daily through this week as I learn new things and begin my journey.  Hop along for the ride!

Cheers,
Eric 

 
Yes...you've put it into the universe now you are obligated to deliver. I believe in you. Happy Investing.  

Post: Zillow Announces plans to flip properties

Michael WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Memphis, TN
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

Outstanding point 

Mike DeBuccio Jr.

Post: Zillow Announces plans to flip properties

Michael WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Memphis, TN
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:
Originally posted by @John Woodrich:

@Russell Brazil My only off MLS deals were added to the MLS so the agent could get some form of credit for the sale.  Maybe he needed it for climbing the ranks of his sales team, I don't know.

Find it hard to believe people randomly spend their time entering in information that doesn't have an affect on them.  Maybe the school information needs to be updated because of a boundry change and now your listing is in a A+ district instead of a C district...  IDK.

 A lot of us do volunteer to update the information.  We also volunteer to do a lot of things that we dont get paid for.  I volunteer to lobby.  Im not sure if your profession, a CPA is eligible for the 20% pass through deduction (I think you are not if I remember correctly) but for those that are you can thank the Realtors that volunteered to lobby to get that included in the tax bill as we were the driving force in getting it into the bill.  We volunteer, and we pay money to lobby on behalf of the rights of homeowners and our industry.  Find it hard to believe or not people volunteer to do things that dont have a direct monetary effect on themselves, for the betterment of their industry, which pays bigger dividends than a few bucks here and now.  

 Mr Russell, I did not know that but I do know that there are people that dedicate their time for a bigger cause. I must thank you and others like you for what you do. You are correct many times it not just about the benefit of the individual. Please keep up the good work and again thank you and others like you.