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All Forum Posts by: Ray Eason

Ray Eason has started 9 posts and replied 81 times.

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Originally posted by @Ray Eason:

So I sell the contract directly to the new Buyer.

Does he open escrow or do I?

Do I sign as the buyer on the contract or leave it blank and have the new buyer sign?

What are the actual steps for this process?

First, remember, I'm not an attorney...that said:

While I wouldn't use the phrase, "selling the contract," that's essentially what you're doing.  More precisely, you're "assigning the contract for a fee."  Assigning a contract is completely independent of selling the contract -- you can assign a contract without getting paid (in fact, in many non-real estate cases, it might make sense for you to pay the other party when you assign a contract to them). 

Basically, assigning a contract means that the assignee (the person who takes the contract) now steps in and assumes all conditions of the contract from the assignor (the original contract participant).  He replaces you in the contract, exactly as it's written.  It's no longer your contract; it's his.

Who opens escrow is between you guys.  Ultimately, it's his contract now, so he's going to want to be involved.  But, as the wholesaler, part of your service to him could be handling the closing details.  Also, keep in mind that the seller is now legally under contract with the new buyer, not you.  So, make sure the seller has the necessary information about that situation (whatever that information may be).

As for who signs the contract, you need to sign it to make the agreement legal.  Until you have a signed (executory) contract, you can't legally assign it (you don't have anything to assign).  Once you have a signed contract, you have a legal agreement you can assign.  

As for your question, "What are the actual steps for this process," which process are you talking about?

@ J Scott

That makes sense. My potential Cash Buyer is running his numbers and waiting on his partner to make the offer.

I have yet to open escrow.

I do have the assignment contract but am waiting on the offer before assigning it.

As for what I meant about "the actual steps for this process..." I was referring to the selling of the contract to the new buyer instead of using the title company.

But it seems as if I still use the title company to open escrow and get the escrow docs written up. Then I can assign the contract to the new buyer and collect my assignment fee directly from that new buyer. Without using the title company in that process.

I was initially thinking of doing a double close. So I could simply include my assignment fee inside of the contract/property price and have the title company take care of everything.

But then you mentioned assigning the contract with zero closes (aka omitting the title company). At that point, I was interested but didn't know how to implement this new tactic.

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Originally posted by @Ray Eason:

Everything I have read says you need to make sure "and/or assigns" is on the contract. But I have also heard the argument that you just mentioned. It may be a state by state contract law. I am not sure as I am not a lawyer either.

First, anything you've read from real estate sources (i.e., non-attorneys) on legal stuff should pretty much be ignored... (including what I'm about to write :-)

I'm pretty sure assignment of contracts is part of common law, so it wouldn't be state specific.  And from what I've read (from legal sources, not real estate sources), assignability of most types of contracts is the default and only disallowed if expressly prohibited by the contract itself.  I believe real estate contracts fall into this category.  So, if the contract doesn't say you can't assign it, you can.

Though again, I'm just a guy who knows just enough about the law to be dangerous, so don't take any of that to be authoritative...

@J Scott

I see... Well thanks for the non legal advice :)

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Originally posted by @Ray Eason:

So when is a Title company used and needed? Everything I have read, learned and been taught teaches that you need to get the title company involved for the transaction between the current owner (seller),  you and the new buyer.

The title company is who handles all the paperwork, creates the settlement statement, ensures a proper deed is created, signed and filed, as well as handles all the funds from both parties.  Unless you are comfortable doing all those things yourself, you'll use a title company (or closing attorney, depending on which is legally required and/or customary in your state).

 @J Scott

I'm in California so I would use a Title Company.

So I sell the contract directly to the new Buyer.

Does he open escrow or do I?

Do I sign as the buyer on the contract or leave it blank and have the new buyer sign?

What are the actual steps for this process?

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

Most standard PSAs have 'no assignment' wording in them. Line that out and initial,  but still add 'and/or assigns' after purchaser name to cover your bases.   Here in WA assignment is crucial.  Double close means excise tax (1.6%-ish) X 2!  Your whole fee will be eaten by the state!    

 @Steve Vaughan

Excise tax, eh? How would I find out if this is applicable in California?

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Derrick Strope:

@Ray Eason You will need to make sure that your contract shows the buyer as "Yourname or Company and/or Assigns" in order to make a contract assignable.  You will then only need to complete an assignment contract to assign the contract to the end buyer.

 @Derrick Strope

So when is a Title company used and needed? Everything I have read, learned and been taught teaches that you need to get the title company involved for the transaction between the current owner (seller),  you and the new buyer.

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Originally posted by @Derrick Strope:

@Ray Eason You will need to make sure that your contract shows the buyer as "Yourname or Company and/or Assigns" in order to make a contract assignable. 

Actually, I don't believe that's true...

I'm not an attorney, but I believe that contract law in the US makes assignability of most contracts legal/valid, by default.  So, as long as the contract doesn't say that you can't assign, you should be able to assign even without the "and/or assigns" addition.

 @Derrick Strope

Everything I have read says you need to make sure "and/or assigns" is on the contract. But I have also heard the argument that you just mentioned. It may be a state by state contract law. I am not sure as I am not a lawyer either.

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Yvon N.:
Originally posted by @Ray Eason:

you Do so by assigning your contract to your cash buyer 

 @Yvon N.

This is a new tactic to me so, please excuse me if I am overlooking the obvious simplicity of it. 

So how do I actually put this into play? I find a cash buyer who does his due diligence, wants the property and I just sell the contract outright to him for my assignment fee? 

My contract has already stated I will be using a title company for escrow. Would the buyer just add an addendum and change it to his title company?

With that in mind, do I sign the Purchase/Sell Agreement or leave that blank for the new buyer to sign?

I'm not opposed to implementing a new technique, I'm just not familiar with this and don't want to harm the deal or disturb the seller.

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Originally posted by @Ray Eason:
Now, I am wanting to make $10K on this contract flip. Should I do a double close? I'm in California and my title company is capable of doing it.

What's your experience, and usage, with a double close as opposed to a single?

 Why not just assign the contract and do zero closes?

 @J Scott,

No one has ever mentioned that :)

How do you do a Zero Close? 

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @J Scott:

Generally speaking, now is the time to find a buyer.  Make sure you have permission from the seller before you just "give out the address," but if you can find a buyer relatively quickly, you can open escrow after that once you know who the buyer will be.

 @J Scott

Thanks for the quick response. 

I have a cash buyer whom I have contacted. I also have a list of Cash Buyers I will be following up with.

I know it's a delicate issue giving out one's home address. So I've asked the Cash Buyers to keep that in mind and let me know before heading out so I can give the home owner a heads up.

The buyer is desperate to move and quickly. So I thought of only contact 2 of my Cash Buyer contracts right now, but more as the days go on.

I have just contacted my title company and waiting for a response back from them.

Now, I am wanting to make $10K on this contract flip. Should I do a double close? I'm in California and my title company is capable of doing it.

What's your experience, and usage, with a double close as opposed to a single?

Post: Flipping a Contract

Ray EasonPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 5

Hello and good day.

I just got a home under contract and am wondering what is the next step.

Do I let me Cash Buyers know I have the property under contract and start releasing the property address or do I contact my title company to begin escrow?

Sounds like a simple question but an important nonetheless :)