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All Forum Posts by: Ray Hurteau

Ray Hurteau has started 5 posts and replied 123 times.

Post: Where did you find your last two Boston projects?

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@Peter Vuong - we do outsource right now and they appear handwritten, but you can tell it's a computer printout.  Our response rate is pretty good over the duration of each campaign (5%+).  All pieces look exactly the same each time, but the wording is different.

@Nick Foundas - we do have MLS access and we've pulled some custom lists for things like lots because we're interested in new construction. we've also had our DM contractor pull data using list source.

When we first started our marketing about 2 years ago, we did it ourselves and tried a number of mediums - formal letter, small yellow postcard, zip letter, big photo flyer - and all worked well - we snagged deals off the small yellow postcard and the zip letter.  The big photo flyer performed terribly and was our last mailing before we outsourced.

Post: Where did you find your last two Boston projects?

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Hi Nick:

1) Direct mail - Somerville - small letter to absentee owner (gut rehab)

2) Direct mail - South Boston - small letter for drive-by property (new construction)

3) MLS - South Boston - they said no contingencies, but we put one in for ZBA approval and offered them full price - they decided to accept (new construction)

We've got a number of leads coming in through our RE Agent, direct mail, and wholesalers. Direct mail is our best lead source right now.

-Ray

Post: Looking for step 0

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Welcome, @Kyle Jepson!  It's good to know all the things you stated before getting too deep into any investment.  Many people say they are interested and just jump in without actually having an idea or plans.

I would say you have two ways to think about investing - active or passive.  Do you want to simply put some of your hard-earned money to work (passively), collecting a paycheck each month for rentals or as one big lump sum as part of another investor's project?  Or do you want to be actively rehabbing in the Boston area or elsewhere in the state/country/world, dealing with builders, finding properties, learning the codes, costs, etc.?

Of course, if you want to get to an active state without learning all the hard lessons on the first deal (or maybe you don't know yet - flavor of the month, as you said), you can start passively and then move to active.

If you choose passive, you should check our the marketplace for deals available right now (but I would certainly not just jump into the first one you see - everything comes with risk and requires research), and start attending REIA's, network with people on BP, and see if you can find anything through those means. There are also crowdfunding websites like RealtyMogul, Patch of Land, FundRise, etc that allow accredited investors to participate passively in deals they underwrite.

Once you figure that out, you can determine your next step. Either way, you've asked the question to a great group of people. Feel free to PM/connect.

Post: Flip Advantage/Flipping Formula Inner Circle Success?

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I took the course (yes, I am completely ashamed of being duped).  They push and they push hard to convince you that you need them.  This particular organization has 0 after-sale support. Unless after-sales support means pay more to get very little.  About 6 weeks after the boot camp, they called asking how it was going.

I now know it takes months and possibly years to get your business going, not days or weeks like they claim.  So naturally, they call before you are up and running and you are probably frustrated because you haven't landed that monster deal yet.  They prey on your lack of success and "invite" you to the inner circle.  Everyone gets the call.  Don't be naive.  We confirmed this because we asked the others in our group if they got the call.

Don't waste your money.  Spend it on your business, not someone else's.

For anyone considering the Flipping Formula or any other "guru" course. Take the money you would have spent on it and use it towards marketing. Then you can wholesale, especially in the Boston area, for 10-50k each deal. You should be able to easily make your money back and then some if you market for 6+ months to the same group of people and build rapport with local investors via REIAs to source them deals. Focus on MFHs, because that's where there is greater wholesale value than SFH.

For my specific experience with the FF (yes, I bought into it and regretted it), you can see my other post reply here (scroll down a little for my post): https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/79/topics/147...

For anyone seriously considering paying for their course: please PM me because I can help advise you on how to start a marketing campaign or to better use your funds. The guru course is not cheap and you only need a fraction of what they ask to get a wholesale operation going. 

Post: "The Flipping Formula" HELP PLEASE

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For anyone considering the Flipping Formula or any other "guru" course. Take the money you would have spent on it and use it towards marketing. Then you can wholesale, especially in the Boston area, for 10-50k each deal. You should be able to easily make your money back and then some if you market for 6+ months to the same group of people and build rapport with local investors via REIAs to source them deals. Focus on MFHs, because that's where there is greater wholesale value than SFH.

For my specific experience with the FF (yes, I bought into it and regretted it), you can see my other post reply here (scroll down a little for my post): https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/79/topics/147152-the-flipping-formula---sat-through-2-hour-seminar-and

For anyone seriously considering paying for their course: please PM me because I can help advise you on how to start  a marketing campaign or to better use your funds.  The guru course is not cheap and you only need a fraction of what they ask to get a wholesale operation going. 

Post: Flipping Formula

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For anyone considering the Flipping Formula or any other "guru" course. Take the money you would have spent on it and use it towards marketing. Then you can wholesale, especially in the Boston area, for 10-50k each deal. You should be able to easily make your money back and then some if you market for 6+ months to the same group of people and build rapport with local investors via REIAs to source them deals. Focus on MFHs, because that's where there is greater wholesale value than SFH.

For my specific experience with the FF (yes, I bought into it and regretted it), you can see my other post reply here (scroll down a little for my post): https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/79/topics/147...

For anyone seriously considering paying for their course: please PM me because I can help advise you on how to start a marketing campaign or to better use your funds. The guru course is not cheap and you only need a fraction of what they ask to get a wholesale operation going. 

Post: Flipping Boston "The Flipping Formula".....is it worth it?

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For anyone considering the Flipping Formula or any other "guru" course. Take the money you would have spent on it and use it towards marketing. Then you can wholesale, especially in the Boston area, for 10-50k each deal. You should be able to easily make your money back and then some if you market for 6+ months to the same group of people and build rapport with local investors via REIAs to source them deals. Focus on MFHs, because that's where there is greater wholesale value than SFH.

For my specific experience with the FF (yes, I bought into it and regretted it), you can see my other post reply here (scroll down a little for my post): https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/79/topics/147152-the-flipping-formula---sat-through-2-hour-seminar-and

For anyone seriously considering paying for their course: please PM me because I can help advise you on how to start  a marketing campaign or to better use your funds.  The guru course is not cheap and you only need a fraction of what they ask to get a wholesale operation going. 

Post: Rookie in Boston, MA

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@Erica S. - welcome!  Great question.  I would choose option 1.  A condo is a single stream of revenue, while a multi-family will be 2+ streams.  Also, while home values can go up or down, your P&I will be a fixed payment and your rents should be fixed income (assuming everyone pays and you use 1 yr leases).  Rents in Boston tend to go up, not down, even if home values go down!  For example: https://www.rentjungle.com/average-rent-in-boston-...

(I have not validated this data nor do I own the site, just did a quick google search)

So relative to purchase prices 1, 2, 4 or 7 years ago, it's definitely not a good time to buy.

That said, you are doing the right thing by seeing what the trade-off would be relative to your current situation.  We don't need to know how much you pay now in rent, but let's assume you pay 2,750 a month for a decent North End unit.  If you buy a 3 family and rent out two of the units, you may either be cash flow negative or break even at best.  Don't make a purchase only counting 2 of the 3 units.  Count the 3rd unit as if you were not there!

If you aren't planning to settle down there in the long term and raise a family, you should assume that at some point you will move out and rent it out or sell it.  If you end up paying 1,000 a month while you're there, that's still better than paying 2,750 a month and getting nothing for it.  of course, repairs may eat away at that margin, so depending on the age of the building, you need to factor in a minimum of 5% for maintenance and 5% for capex.  10% across both may be reasonable for the first 3-5 years if it needs new things like kitchens and baths to be refreshed.

The point is, nobody will be able to give a definite answer because there are so many properties and so many different markets in Boston.  Analyze each one and the only thing I'd say is pick a place where you would be okay with living.  Not a war zone or an area too far from public transit.  This is because if you don't want to live there, why would a responsible tenant want to live there?

If your numbers are cash flow positive assuming all units are rented, it may be a good investment. If you go the FHA route, do remember that you will be paying PMI for the life of the loan, so you will eventually want to refi out into conventional, which means either the value increases due to improvements you make, the market, or paying the difference.

For anyone considering a 1031, you should really work with a Qualified Intermediary before selling the property since they know the process and keep everything legit.  If you do one thing wrong, bye bye tax savings, hello huge potential bill.

Another idea for trying to find a property is to drive around a specific area you like where you know home values are in your price range and then send 20-30 hand written letters to the home owners saying you have been looking to buy in that area and if they were considering selling - saves them the broker fee, so you can pay a little below market rate or whatever you're able to negotiate. MLS is a congested with no contingency offers, which is a huge risk for a first time home buyer, and it's always nice to not have to rush to make a deal when working 1:1 with a potential seller.

Best of luck on your search!

Post: Investor in New Hampshire and Maine

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@Anthony Cennami - if you're looking for places to rehab, why leave a pellet stove in the units?

you might want to go to google maps, search the word "insurance" and find some local insurance companies and ask them.  someone i'm sure will make you pay a premium to insure it, but seems silly to pay extra...

Post: 5 Ways to Become a Wholesaler's Go to Buyer

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Originally posted by @Brett Snodgrass:

@Lamar Cannon

Very Good Post Lamar. I really appreciate your knowledge in this area. I have been having a little bit of an issue on many buyers not following through and keeping their word. I feel that's it's very important to for Buyer's to follow through and perform on their end in order to keep them as on of the top Buyer's that I go to when I have a good deal.  Thanks again, Lamar.

Brett

Brett, I'd have your "cash" buyers explain their funding strategy. Anyone can get a POF letter, but if the buyer has experience, they have access to funding and can explain it and/or show it. The worst thing a wholesale buyer can do is ruin a closing. Are there other ways besides funding they have not kept their word? I can imagine the other top reason is someone may say they analyzed the rehab costs a second time and thought it was higher than initially anticipated or advertised by the wholesaler. That's a tough one to crack since each investor can have significantly different rehab costs depending on who does their work.