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All Forum Posts by: David V.

David V. has started 15 posts and replied 46 times.

Post: Asset (HVAC) taken out of service before fully depreciated

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8

Hi all,

Just curious about what to do for my AC/Heat Pump that I purchased 10 years ago and depreciated over 27.5 years that i needed to replace this year.  Am i able to expense the remaining undepreciated amount during the year i replaced it.  Or am i able to continue to depreciate over it over the remaining life?  Or i do nothing - no more deductions for this asset.  

Regards 

Post: A few questions on expensing/depreciating new LVPs for rental

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Michael Plaks:

@David V.

1. Expense in its technical sense - usually no, unless the total cost is under $2,500. However see #3 which is basically expensing. Installation is part of the purchase cost, not treated separately.

2. Floating floor is a 5-yr personal property, same as carpet.

3. Yes, eligible for both 179 and 100% bonus

4. Expense, fully deductible, unless done as part of a bigger remodeling project.

5. This is a very complex question, impossible to answer here. And your specific situation needs a more detailed analysis.


  Hi Michael, thanks so much for the reply. Although i have not posted too much over the years i clearly remember you answering a few of my question. You are truly very generous with your time and i am sure many folks on this site greatly appreciate the many responses you have provided. Bests

Post: A few questions on expensing/depreciating new LVPs for rental

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Michael Plaks:

@David V.

1. Expense in its technical sense - usually no, unless the total cost is under $2,500. However see #3 which is basically expensing. Installation is part of the purchase cost, not treated separately.

2. Floating floor is a 5-yr personal property, same as carpet.

3. Yes, eligible for both 179 and 100% bonus

4. Expense, fully deductible, unless done as part of a bigger remodeling project.

5. This is a very complex question, impossible to answer here. And your specific situation needs a more detailed analysis.


 Hi Michael, thanks so much for the reply.  Although i have not posted too much over the years i clearly remember you answering a few of my question.  You are truly very generous with your time and i am sure many folks on this site greatly appreciate the many responses you have provided.  Bests  


Post: A few questions on expensing/depreciating new LVPs for rental

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8

Hello,

I am wondering if there are any circumstances in which i can expense in the current year the purchase and installation of new LVP flooring that will be a floating floor? More specifically,

1. Are there any circumstances where i can expense? For example, by using one of the safe harbors? Also, would anything change if I purchased the LVP separately online and then hire a contractor to install the LVP? Thus, paying two different entities.

2. My guess is that i have to depreciate the new floating floor but not sure if it gets the same treatment as carpets (i think depreciated over 5 years) since its not glued to floor? If not 5 years, then how many?

3. Would i be eligible for bonus deprecation/179?


4. Unrelated question? Is the cost of painting (interior only) a rental property deemed an expense that can be entirely deducted in that year?

5. Unrelated question. I paid for extensive repairs for one of my my rental properties deck in 2022. The cost of the repair was $2,800. I am assuming the cost can be expensed but when does a repair become an improvement? For example, all the deck boards, railings, baluster and a coule joists were replaced.

I am sure for some of you these are basic questions but i would greatly appreciate any assistance you can provide.

regards

dave

Post: Expense or depreciate floating LVP floor

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8

Hello,

I am wondering if there are any circumstances in which i can expense in the current year the purchase and installation of new LVP flooring that will be a floating floor?  More specifically,

1. Are there any circumstances where i can expense?  For example, by using one of the safe harbors?   Also, would anything change if I purchased the LVP separately online and then hire a contractor to install the LVP?  Thus, paying two different entities.

2.  My guess is that i have to depreciate the new floating floor but not sure if it gets the same treatment as carpets (i think depreciated over 5 years) since its not glued to floor? If not 5 years, then how many?  

3.  Would i be eligible for bonus deprecation/179?


4. Unrelated question?  Is the cost of painting (interior only) a rental property deemed an expense that can be entirely deducted in that year?

5.  Unrelated question.  I paid for extensive repairs for one of my my rental properties deck in 2022.  The cost of the repair was $2,800. I am assuming the cost can be expensed but when does a repair become an improvement?  For example, all the deck boards, railings, baluster and a coule joists were replaced.  

I am sure for some of you these are basic questions but i would greatly appreciate any assistance you can provide.

regards

dave

Post: Do any Accountants offer a retainer sort of arrangement

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8

I currently do my own bookkeeping and taxes (for five rentals) and am generally comfortable doing so.  However, what I need from time to time are answers to tax related questions that come up.  I currently have an attorney on retainer that i may email a few times a year to get answers to legal questions I have.  Do any of you such services? 

Regards

Dave

Post: Ask me (a CPA) anything about taxes relating to real estate

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8

Hi Nicholas,

Thanks so much for your reply.  I noticed on the Stessa.com (property management site) that there may be a much less strict definition of whats available and ready for use.  I bold and underlined the relevant portions.  I also remember seeing a few other sites that say similar things. Anyway, just want to se what your thoughts are on this.  I would suspect others may find this conservation very useful as well.  I am still looking for an IRS pub that specifically addresses this bu so far no luck.    

The Importance of Date Placed In Service

When you first purchase a rental property, it will be considered “placed in service” on day one if there’s an existing tenant in the property. If there’s no existing tenant, then the property is assumed to be not yet in service.

To place a property into service, you must meet two requirements:

  1. the property must be ready for use; and
  2. the property must be available for use.

Generally, your rental is ready for use when the city or locality of your rental property will conservatively issue a Certificate of Occupancy. The rental property is considered available for use once it’s advertised for rent.

Rental property investors will often purchase a property vacant and in need of significant renovations before it’s ready to rent. Any renovation costs incurred before you place the property in service must be capitalized and depreciated, generally over 5, 7, 15, or 27.5 years (5, 7, and 15-year property is eligible for 100% first-year depreciation), regardless of whether or not they are actual capital improvements or simply repair and maintenance business expenses.

The key point here is that costs that are capitalized and then depreciated are recovered over several years and then are subject to depreciation recapture (a 25% tax when you sell the property). Regular repair and maintenance expenses are fully deductible business expenses in the year incurred and are not subject to depreciation recapture.

Successfully manage this distinction from a tax perspective by completing the minimum amount of work necessary to get the property ready for lease, then immediately advertise it for rent.

As mentioned above, the definition of ready for lease will be determined by the building codes in your locality, but is typically when sheetrock is on the walls and the flooring is finished. In other words, if the property is habitable and no longer dangerous and someone could live there, it’s probably also ready for lease.

Once the property is in service you can finish the renovation and deduct some of the costs as repair and maintenance expenses in the current year. Other start-up costs such as appliances, which are normally considered capital improvements, become deductible in the current year under the de minimis safe harbor provision of the tax code.

Note that some renovation costs will always be considered capital improvements regardless of whether or not a property has already been placed in service (for example, replacing the entire roof).

Examples of renovation items you want to complete before you place the property in service:

  • fixing structural issues (for example, cracks in the foundation)
  • replacing an entire roof, floor, bathroom, kitchen, or plumbing system
  • adding a deck or new HVAC system

Examples of renovation items you want to do after you place the property in service include:

  • painting
  • installing appliances
  • replacing a doorknob or window
  • repairing an existing plumbing system
  • other minor repairs

Post: Ask me (a CPA) anything about taxes relating to real estate

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8

Hi Nicholas,

I have a question regarding expensing vs. capitalizing expenses incurred before the property is advertised for rent. I have purchased my fifth rental (new construction) and need to buy fridge, washer/dryer, blinds and garage door opener. I also made a few 4 hour road trips to where the property is located (close to my other properties) and incurred travel related expenses as well. I will likely buy these items (order them before my close date) before I advertise to rent IF I AM ABLE TO EXPENSE these items rather than adding them to the property's basis. I have been using Nolo's Every Landlords Tax Deduction Guide" for years and it has served me well over the years but sometimes there is not enough detail. 

Per page 127 on the 15th edition of the book states " The cost of expanding an existing business is a business operating expense, not a start up expense. As long as business expansion costs are ordinary and necessary, they are currently deductible".  The example it provides is as follows: "Alex owns an apartment building that he has rented out for over two years.  This rental (which qualifies as a business) has been so successful that he decides to provide another apartment building.  He spends $4,000 in travel expenses looking or new properties to buy. Because Alex is already in business, these costs are currently deductible as business operating expenses--they are not start-up expenses." 

If this was my first rental property I understand that I would need to capitalize; however, given that I am in the business of being a landlord can I correctly assume that I can deduct such expenses using the $2,200 de minimis safe harbor (fridge, washer/dryer, blinds, garage door opener)?  If so, what IRS publications allow for this? 

If this is not the case then I will just advertise my place first and then buy the items that I need afterwards and expenses them using the de minimis safe harbor.  This would mean I would advertise the place after the property inspection (where I will take pics) but before the closing a week later.  I would greatly appreciate any comments you have or even links to IRS publications/documents that specifically addresses this.

Regards

Post: Expensing vs. capitalizing - new property

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8

Hello fellow investors, I have a question regarding expensing vs. capitalizing expenses incurred before the property is advertised for rent.  I have purchased my fifth rental (new construction) and need to buy fridge, washer/dryer, blinds and garage door opener.  I also made a few 4 hour road trips to where the property is located (close to my other properties) and incurred travel related expenses as well. I will likely buy these items (order them before my close date) before I advertise to rent if I am able to expense these items rather than adding them to the property's basis. I have been using Nolo's Every Landlords Tax Deduction Guide" for years and it has served me well over the years but sometimes there is not enough detail.  Per page 127 on the 15th edition of the book states " The cost of expanding an existing business is a business operating expense, not a start up expense.  As long as business expansion costs are ordinary and necessary, they are currently deductible".   

If this was my first rental property I understand that I would need to capitalize; however, given that I am in the business of being a landlord can I correctly assume that I can deduct such expenses?  If this is not the case then I will just advertise my place first and then buy the items that I need. I would greatly appreciate any comments you have or even links to IRS publications/documents that specifically addresses this.  

Post: Rental Income & Social Security

David V.Posted
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 8

Thanks - below is a link I found from the IRS that explains this well.  When I retire from my day job I will spend most of my working time on my rental properties but not enough to be considered a real estate professional. 

Real Estate Professional

Generally, rental activities are passive activities even if you materially participated in them. However, if you qualified as a real estate professional, rental real estate activities in which you materially participated aren’t passive activities. For this purpose, each interest you have in a rental real estate activity is a separate activity, unless you choose to treat all interests in rental real estate activities as one activity. See the Instructions for Schedule E (Form 1040 or 1040-SR), Supplemental Income and Loss, for information about making this choice.

If you qualified as a real estate professional for 2019, report income or losses from rental real estate activities in which you materially participated as nonpassive income or losses, and complete line 43 of Schedule E (Form 1040 or 1040-SR). If you also have an unallowed loss from these activities from an earlier year when you didn’t qualify, see under Passive Activities, earlier.

Qualifications.

You qualified as a real estate professional for the year if you met both of the following requirements.

  • More than half of the personal services you performed in all trades or businesses during the tax year were performed in real property trades or businesses in which you materially participated.
  • You performed more than 750 hours of services during the tax year in real property trades or businesses in which you materially participated.

Don’t count personal services you performed as an employee in real property trades or businesses unless you were a 5% owner of your employer. You were a 5% owner if you owned (or are considered to have owned) more than 5% of your employer's outstanding stock, outstanding voting stock, or capital or profits interest.

If you file a joint return, don’t count your spouse's personal services to determine whether you met the preceding requirements. However, you can count your spouse's participation in an activity in determining if you materially participated.

Real property trades or businesses.

A real property trade or business is a trade or business that does any of the following with real property.

  • Develops or redevelops it.
  • Constructs or reconstructs it.
  • Acquires it.
  • Converts it.
  • Rents or leases it.
  • Operates or manages it.
  • Brokers it.

https://www.irs.gov/publications/p925#en_US_2019_publink1000104591