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All Forum Posts by: Kristi C.

Kristi C. has started 8 posts and replied 26 times.

Originally posted by @Randy E.:
Originally posted by @Kristi C.:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Kristi C.:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Kristi C.:
Originally posted by @Colleen F.:
My thought would be the power company should file charges and have her arrested. However I dont think the power company guy knows what he is talking about regarding getting her out talk to a lawyer. Let us know what you find out. This could be interesting.

The tenant told me she has a court date to appear for stealing power. She didn't rewire the electric meter herself. She claims the power was off for non-payment, then within a few days her room mate said they paid for it to be turned on, but they had rewired it without telling her they did so. She knew the power was disconnected for non-payment and then the power was back on without her paying anything, but she claims she thought they paid it. She's not supposed to have room mates either.

and U believe your tenant is telling you the truth.. jacking power and water is a tradition passed down through the generations of renters.. its amazing what they do and risk their lives to do it..  Its all BS  they know exactly what they are doing..  

I don't believe her. That's why I said "she claims." I really don't think she's has the capability to rewire that box herself, but I do think she knew her roommate did it. Regardless she is going to go to court and plea that she didn't know. 

I have seen them simply jump the meter with a cloths hanger  LOL..  this usually happens in challenging rental areas..

They said it was rewired like someone that knew wiring did it, but then they stuffed the box full of newspapers. It's possible she's the one that actually did it,  but it seems like she would have done it way before now if she knew how. She's been in there for two years. She just started having these "guests" lately.

 KC, I don't understand why the power company is asking you to evict.  Every case where I've heard of a power thief being caught, the power company simply removes the meter.  If the power thief installs a meter stolen from another location (or otherwise bypasses the lack of a meter) the power company disconnects the wire at the pole.  Is there a reason why the power company in your city isn't doing that?

Whatever the reason why the power isn't yet off, simply file for a court eviction and wait for that to run its course.  

The power is off in her side. They did remove the meter, but they didn't disconnect at the pole because it's a duplex and both meters are side by side. Maybe they are concerned that she might just steal power from her neighbor now. The power company has called 3 times telling me to evict her immediately after they removed the meter. City inspector called once. Police have called 3 or 4 times. I explained to the person from the power company how the eviction process works. Them she said according to KRS 65.8801 I can make her leave now, but that reference is only about authorizing the creation of administrative boards. They really want her out, but they want to call me with bad legal advice too. 

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Kristi C.:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Kristi C.:
Originally posted by @Colleen F.:
My thought would be the power company should file charges and have her arrested. However I dont think the power company guy knows what he is talking about regarding getting her out talk to a lawyer. Let us know what you find out. This could be interesting.

The tenant told me she has a court date to appear for stealing power. She didn't rewire the electric meter herself. She claims the power was off for non-payment, then within a few days her room mate said they paid for it to be turned on, but they had rewired it without telling her they did so. She knew the power was disconnected for non-payment and then the power was back on without her paying anything, but she claims she thought they paid it. She's not supposed to have room mates either.

and U believe your tenant is telling you the truth.. jacking power and water is a tradition passed down through the generations of renters.. its amazing what they do and risk their lives to do it..  Its all BS  they know exactly what they are doing..  

I don't believe her. That's why I said "she claims." I really don't think she's has the capability to rewire that box herself, but I do think she knew her roommate did it. Regardless she is going to go to court and plea that she didn't know. 

I have seen them simply jump the meter with a cloths hanger  LOL..  this usually happens in challenging rental areas..

They said it was rewired like someone that knew wiring did it, but then they stuffed the box full of newspapers. It's possible she's the one that actually did it,  but it seems like she would have done it way before now if she knew how. She's been in there for two years. She just started having these "guests" lately.

Originally posted by @Andrew B.:
Originally posted by @Kristi C.:
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

@Kristi C. I have never heard of immediately evicting someone. If tenants need to leave a property due to hazardous conditions, that is not an eviction. You would still need to do a formal eviction. Even if someone is arrested, you need to evict them to get legal standing to the property. Don't take eviction advice from power company employees or police, neither of these sources are qualified. 

Also since there is roommates potentially, even if they are not on the lease, make sure the eviction includes any other un-named occupants. 

The city inspector, police, and power company are telling me I have to make her leave immediately because it's illegal for her to be in there at all. But this state states two weeks notice for eviction in these cases. After that, I can take her to court, the judge usually gives them another week or two. Then the sheriff's office gives them another three weeks. I've gone through that process before, but not with illegal living conditions. 

I don't know the names of the unnamed occupants. She invited them in without permission. When I go there, they aren't there. I doubt she'll give me their names. The police said they are known drug dealers. Another reason the police want me to evict her. They said drug dealers go there a lot in general. I might be able to get the names from the police, but I'm not sure if they'll let me know either. 

If I pay for her to go to a hotel and get her to sign something saying she has moved out and turns over rights to the property, would I still need to evict her? She'll probably leave if I pay for the hotel until the end of the month.

 The city inspector, police, and power company are not telling you to evict, they are telling you to get her out of the unsafe conditions. If they want her out though, they will have to go in and get her out. I'm not aware of any laws allowing you personally to force somebody out of their home. If police are unwilling to do it, then its not illegal for them to be there.

They are telling me to evict, using the word evict. Maybe that's not what they are meaning, but that's what they are saying. The police aren't making her leave, but they've told me multiple times it's illegal for her to be there. I told them it's also illegal for me to make her leave without going through the proper eviction process. That's why I'm wondering if the hotel idea would work or is there something wrong with doing it that way?

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Kristi C.:
Originally posted by @Colleen F.:
My thought would be the power company should file charges and have her arrested. However I dont think the power company guy knows what he is talking about regarding getting her out talk to a lawyer. Let us know what you find out. This could be interesting.

The tenant told me she has a court date to appear for stealing power. She didn't rewire the electric meter herself. She claims the power was off for non-payment, then within a few days her room mate said they paid for it to be turned on, but they had rewired it without telling her they did so. She knew the power was disconnected for non-payment and then the power was back on without her paying anything, but she claims she thought they paid it. She's not supposed to have room mates either.

and U believe your tenant is telling you the truth.. jacking power and water is a tradition passed down through the generations of renters.. its amazing what they do and risk their lives to do it..  Its all BS  they know exactly what they are doing..  

I don't believe her. That's why I said "she claims." I really don't think she's has the capability to rewire that box herself, but I do think she knew her roommate did it. Regardless she is going to go to court and plea that she didn't know.

Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

@Kristi C. I have never heard of immediately evicting someone. If tenants need to leave a property due to hazardous conditions, that is not an eviction. You would still need to do a formal eviction. Even if someone is arrested, you need to evict them to get legal standing to the property. Don't take eviction advice from power company employees or police, neither of these sources are qualified. 

Also since there is roommates potentially, even if they are not on the lease, make sure the eviction includes any other un-named occupants. 

The city inspector, police, and power company are telling me I have to make her leave immediately because it's illegal for her to be in there at all. But this state states two weeks notice for eviction in these cases. After that, I can take her to court, the judge usually gives them another week or two. Then the sheriff's office gives them another three weeks. I've gone through that process before, but not with illegal living conditions. 

I don't know the names of the unnamed occupants. She invited them in without permission. When I go there, they aren't there. I doubt she'll give me their names. The police said they are known drug dealers. Another reason the police want me to evict her. They said drug dealers go there a lot in general. I might be able to get the names from the police, but I'm not sure if they'll let me know either. 

If I pay for her to go to a hotel and get her to sign something saying she has moved out and turns over rights to the property, would I still need to evict her? She'll probably leave if I pay for the hotel until the end of the month.

Originally posted by @Kyle J.:

@Kristi C.  There may be a way to get the tenant out immediately, but it would depend on your local laws.  For example, here in my area, there are a variety of conditions (including lack of required utilities) that can cause a property to be deemed "substandard" and "unsafe to occupy".  I have personally been present when police and code enforcement removed occupants from a property the same day that a dangerous/unsafe condition was discovered. 

It's unsafe to allow them to stay in the house because most people who don't have power will find other ways to provide power/heat that aren't safe and that are a potential fire risk.

You should consult with the police and/or city inspectors that called you, and ask them how to proceed in light of what the power company told you.

Keep in mind, even if they are removed from the home in this case, it's likely only a temporary solution because once they get the power restored they'll be allowed back in the home.  So if you want them out permanently, you should consult with a local landlord-tenant attorney and see if there's legal grounds to proceed with an eviction.

Good luck.

I asked the city inspector if I can evict her immediately without notice and he said he doesn't know. I would have thought he would know if he can just make her leave immediately due to hazardous conditions. She's definitely not getting the power back on anytime soon.

Originally posted by @Colleen F.:
My thought would be the power company should file charges and have her arrested. However I dont think the power company guy knows what he is talking about regarding getting her out talk to a lawyer. Let us know what you find out. This could be interesting.

The tenant told me she has a court date to appear for stealing power. She didn't rewire the electric meter herself. She claims the power was off for non-payment, then within a few days her room mate said they paid for it to be turned on, but they had rewired it without telling her they did so. She knew the power was disconnected for non-payment and then the power was back on without her paying anything, but she claims she thought they paid it. She's not supposed to have room mates either.

How many days do I have to give a tenant to leave for stealing power? She has paid her rents,  but I just found out she's been stealing power since May. I got a call from police and city inspectors about it. Now the power company called and said it's illegal for her to be in there without power. I told them I gave her an eviction letter for 2 weeks because that's what I understood the law was in KY in this situation. The person from the power company told me I need to have police escort her out before then. Can I evict someone sooner in this situation? 

Originally posted by @Tom Gimer:
Originally posted by @Kristi C.:
Originally posted by @Tom Gimer:

If you are able, pull land records and see if there is an existing agreement concerning the driveway... such as easements, rights of way, shared maintenance agreement, etc. between the adjacent landowners somewhere in the chain of title. If you bought title insurance are there any agreements or instruments listed in the specific exceptions section of your policy? Even if you didn't buy title insurance, did you receive a title commitment with property info?

I didn't find anything about easements for the properties in the deeds.

Unless your lot was previously owned by the owner of the vacant lot, an agreement such as this would not be in a deed but rather in a separate agreement recorded among the land records. You'd need to search for any agreements made by prior owners in the chain.

So would this information be on older deeds for the properties?

I am in Kentucky. It looks like he has to squat on it for 15 years. Since he bought his own lot in 2012, it hasn't been long enough. I talked to the city and the PVA about the taxes and it is marked tax exempt and valued at zero. No tax bills have been sent to anyone. They do not have any explanation as to why that is.