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All Forum Posts by: Pierre Streat

Pierre Streat has started 12 posts and replied 53 times.

Post: Philadelphia Section 8 multi family

Pierre StreatPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 5

Hello All,

As many of you know I am pretty focused on the Philadelphia multi family market at the moment for buy and hold cash flow. As a result, I would like to explore the Section 8 markets in Philadelphia. Are there any investors on BP currently focused on Section 8 multi family rentals in Philly? If so, what areas and what has your experience been like with these units? Is it easy to find great property managers willing to manage these units for you? Any tips, horror stories etc. are greatly appreciated. Please educate me.

Thank you,

Pierre

Post: Philadelphia multi family cash flow turn key

Pierre StreatPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Mike Girard:

Hi Pierre:

I live in Brooklyn too and just bought my first multi. I wasn't looking for turnkey, but noticed there are quite a few of them in the regular listings on redfin. I think you could go either route, agent or turnkey company, but the former is likely to be a lot more time-consuming. If you go the turnkey company route, I think you should at least familiarize yourself with Philly neighborhoods, so you're not flying blind when choosing an offering. That way you can better assess if a property is fairly priced, and whether or not it's a good long-term investment. I wouldn't buy a turnkey property in an area with a high vacancy rate, for example, unless the neighborhood was on the upswing. 

I don't know enough to recommend a turnkey company. There are some people on BP who represent Maverick, which seems to be some kind of consolidator of various turnkey outfits all over the country. Here are their current offerings in Philly. I find the expected rent on some of those high, but presumably that's what tenants are paying. I don't see any particular risk in going that route first, since evaluating a turnkey deal is no different from evaluating something you find yourself so long as there are no restrictions on doing due diligence. It's either a good deal or it isn't. Since these deals usually come bundled with a management company, you should make sure it's a good one. 

Good luck!

 Thanks for the reply Mike. Where did you buy your first multi in Philly and why that area? Did it require a lot of renovation and how did you go about finding a good contractor down there? I am currently considering student housing in Philly due to what seems like consistent cash flow and some price appreciation as the Universities continue to build out. What are your thoughts on student housing down there?

Post: Philadelphia multi family cash flow turn key

Pierre StreatPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Bruce Faulk:

Thanks for starting this thread @Pierre Streat. I am in the same boat- New Yorker looking for investment in Philly. Specifically looking for multi-family turnkey or BRRR. Look forward to hearing who has info. Thanks all.

 No problem Bruce! Hope we can both gain some valuable insight on Philly multi fam's here. Bigger Pockets community we appreciate your help!

Post: Philadelphia multi family cash flow turn key

Pierre StreatPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Ugochukwu Opara:

@Pierre Streat

My name is Ugo, Realtor and Investor on the grounds in Philadelphia and surrounding areas. 

I typically don't recommend out of state investing but NY to Phila is difference, very very different. I've seen many New Yorkers come down to our Sheriff sales and just go to town buying up everything since they've never seen property priced so low. 

Philadelphia is a great market and cash flow is there, especially if you don't mind making ugly things pretty. Taxes are super low so the cash flow is there. Rental market is strong and single families tend to hold their value or appreciate over 3-5 years (based on location of course). There are cons as well right, high crime rate, and an inconsistency in neighborhood class ( you'll have a B+ area two street from a C-). 

Best of luck with everything, let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

 Thanks for your reply Ugochukwu. Question though, why do single families tend to hold their value or appreciate more in Philly? What don't multi families perform as well or better? Please educate me.  

Post: Philadelphia multi family cash flow turn key

Pierre StreatPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 5

Hello BP Family,

Does anyone have any experience with turn key property companies in Philadelphia? If so, who are the best out there? Would anyone recommend this route for an out of state investor such as myself? Or would it be more advantageous/cost effective to go the tradtional route of finding a turn key property via a real estate agent and then setting a team in place thereafter - property manager, handyman etc.? I am a newbie investor looking to invest in high cash flow multi families in Philadelphia in the hopes of also getting price appreciation and the ability to add value somehow. Any advice on the best way to approach this goal or anyone currently on the ground there already achieving this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Pierre

Post: Brand new south jersey/philadelphia investor

Pierre StreatPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 5

@Mathew Gunkel - Agreed on 203k loan being a great opportunity but correct me if I am wrong, this program does require that the owner live in 1 of the 4~ units correct? If so, for how long is that owner-occupancy requried? How likely is it that the FHA authorities check to see if it is in fact owner occupied? Wondering if this could be an option for an out of state investor such as myself buying in Philadelphia.

@James Masotti - Would love to hear more about your investing in Delaware. Are you buying multi-families there? What are the price ranges like for 1-4 units and subsequent rent rolls? What is the general economy like in Delaware in order to gauge tenant profiles? GDP, household income, unemployment rates etc?

Post: Philadelphia multi family high cash flow opportunities

Pierre StreatPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 5

Hello BP Family,

Can any multi family cash flow investors in the Philadelphia, PA market suggest some great investor friendly real estate agents in the area? Or people who have connections to great off market opportunities? I am an out of state investor looking for an agent/broker who is very familiar with Philadelphia and hopefully owns and manages some multi family cash flow properties themselves in the area. I don't know much about Philadelphia so would love if someone can guide me to areas that have great cash flow as well as potential price appreciation in the future. I have heard Philadelphia has a solid student rental market but would like to keep away from that since these properties don't tend to appreciate much and kids can really put a strain on the properties. It would also be great if this agent/broker has excellent, quality property management connections since this a long distance purchase. I am also open to partnering on potential deals with this broker/agent if there is a fit. I appreciate your help!

Thanks.

Post: Investor Friendly Real Estate Agent needed in Atlanta, Georgia

Pierre StreatPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 5

Hello BP!

Can any multi family cash flow investors in Atlanta, Georgia suggest some great investor friendly real estate agents in the area? I am an out of state investor looking for an agent/broker who knows Atlanta and its surrounding areas very well and hopefully owns and manages some multi family cash flow properties themselves in the area. I know nothing about Atlanta so will need a bit of hand holding in the early stages and lots of education. It would also be great if this agent/broker has excellent, quality property management connections since this a very long distance purchase. I am also open to partnering on potential deals with this broker/agent if there is a fit. I appreciate your help BP.

Thanks.

Hi BP Family,

Hope you are all well. Does anyone know of any local banks in Baltimore City or banks across the country for that matter that would lend to a brand new LLC buying cashing flow multi families in Baltimore City? Thanks!

Post: 401K

Pierre StreatPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Ronald Perich:

@Pierre StreatYou could roll into a self-directed IRA (with specialized servicing companies) that allows you to buy and hold RE. You have to stay hands-off on the asset. You can't even change a light bulb on the property. But it is an option.

Or you could use the money to partner with someone on a larger deal where you are a minor partner.  You stay completely out of management that way.

Thank you Ronald but how would your second option work? How would I partner with someone on a large deal without taking the 20% hit once I withdraw the cash from my 401k? What kind of partnership structure would allow this?