@Brent Coombs
"I didn't quite get your "...it's just a faster way to get upto 20% equity into the loan" comment. ie. don't you have to get to 20% equity BEFORE you can refi?"
To get rid of the PMI your loan to value ratio (LTV) has to be at 80% - for people who can. The caveat is based on something that I read that if you bought your property with PMI after a certain date, you can't get rid of your PMI. I don't know how true that is, I am explaining what I went through for a property that I 203K-FHA in 2011, and got rid of the PMI in 2014. There are three common ways that people use to get to this 80% LTV:
(1)Put a 20% down-payment - which is common, and many people use this route when they get conventional loans
(2) You can refinance once your property has appreciated enough that your loan is effectively 80% of the assessed market value of the property. This did not happen automatically for me, I had to refinance. This might depend on the financing institution. The big ones would definitely not automatically get rid of your PMI
(3) The PMI would automatically go away if you pay down the loan over time so that you are at 80% of the purchase price.
Thus for people who can't put down the 20%, refinance is then the fastest way to rid of the PMI if market values are going up.
You can also refinance at anytime for whatever reason, could be to have lower interest rate, lower payments by extending the loan maturity date etc.
Good, I thought it was treated as one mortgage - but are you also saying: once you pay off or refi out of an FHA203k loan, you can NEVER re-apply for that same type of loan? "Once in a lifetime"?
YES - 203K is an incentive for first time home buyers. You can only do it once. However, you can get multiple FHA loans. I believe you can easily get up to 4 FHA loans, and at most you can get 10. I haven't been through the FHA limits because I now use commercial loans for my properties.
Hope this helps