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All Forum Posts by: Paul Younger

Paul Younger has started 0 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: I Received a Quitclaim Deed. Do I own the property or am I wrong?

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  • Fayetteville, AR
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You own whatever the person/company who issued the QCD owned.  You may own the property, you may own nothing.  A title company in the county where the property is located can do a title search and tell you what you own, and if it is subject to any liens.  If it comes back clean, you can usually buy title insurance after the fact. 

PY

Licensed AR Attorney

Post: Tax liens and deeds in Arkansas, how to do due diligence,

Paul YoungerPosted
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  • Fayetteville, AR
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Contact me if you have any questions on the Quit Title Lawsuit and clearing off liens.  

Post: LLC Title Related Issues

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  • Fayetteville, AR
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@Danielle Scott

I am an attorney in Arkansas, so let me attempt to clear up a few things in this thread.  Bear in mind this is all based on the info you provided, so if you are miss remembering things or the other side of the story is substantially different, then my opinions might change.

First, lets deal with the 'no consideration' theory.  Not going to work.  Consideration applies to contracts, not to deeds.  There is no requirement that a deed transfer be based upon consideration.   I am transferring 4 parcels into a family trust this afternoon for a client, and there will be no consideration for the transactions.  So voiding the transaction simply based on a lack of consideration is not going to work.

Second, your liability on the note. One commentator felt that if you had transferred the property to an LLC then you would be no longer liable on the note. That is absolutely, unequivocally not true, for several reasons. First, you are liable on the note if you signed the note. The note is a negotiable instrument between you and the bank. Only the bank can relieve you of liability on the note (through refinancing for example). Second, the property is subject to a mortgage. No subsequent change in ownership will defeat the mortgage (unless the mortgage is paid off at the time of transfer). Changing the property into an LLC or a trust does not affect the mortgage at all. First in time, first in right.

Third, there was mention of legal aid.  I don't want to speak for legal aid since I don't work for them, but, in my experience there are requirements to qualify.  Poverty requirements, veteran status, domestic abuse, etc are all some of the requirements that I have heard people say are required.  I highly doubt your case would qualify.  Maybe though?

Fourth, getting the docs you need, like the operating agreement, etc.  Typically, a client in your position would hopefully have retained a copy, if not then hopefully the other side would send us one as a courtesy or as part of a good faith effort to resolve the situation.  But if they won't, then we can demand copies and they must comply; but we can only do that as part of the lawsuit.  So you have to start the lawsuit before you can demand those documents.  

Fifth, finding a lawyer to take this on a contingency fee.  Not impossible, but unlikely.  First, most contingency fee cases are personal injury cases that pay out high dollar amounts in damages, thus it is profitable.  Second, lawsuits take money besides attorney's fees.  If I am 'investing' my money in your case, I need to know from the beginning that I am going to win, how much money I am going to win, and most importantly that the person we are suing has the ability to pay me when I win.  A judgment against a bankrupt person is useless (to me trying to collect a fee anyways).  So it would depend upon damages amount (of which 1/3 fee is the minimum), likelihood of winning, likely out of pocket costs, likelihood the people we are suing can pay us, etc.  Based on what I read in the thread, that does not sound like something that I want to invest my time and money into on a contingency fee.  Maybe another attorney would, but without more information, I doubt it.

Finally, your best cause of action is probably fraud.  There maybe other options out there to pressure your parents into a settlement, and we could explore all of those before we file a lawsuit.  But at the end of the day what you have is a fraud claim, with maybe a breach of contract back up (although we don't have copies of the contracts so that's unknown).  Give me a call if you need  more info.

PY

Post: Benton Co Arkansas Post Auction Properties

Paul YoungerPosted
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  • Fayetteville, AR
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Susan - 

The short answer is normally the liens are wiped out by the tax sale, and subsequent quiet title lawsuit.  There are some instances where the liens are not wiped out.  Give me a call if you want to discuss further, for a full opinion on whether or not the liens would be removed, I'd have to look at the title work, type of lien, etc.  

Post: First deal might fall through bcs. of bad contract

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  • Fayetteville, AR
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Joseph - 

The stuff your real estate agent said in your original post doesn't make a lot of sense (it's implied in the contract?! Nothing is implied in a contract).  I'd recommend finding a local attorney to draft a new contract or a simple addendum to the current contract that is out there to satisfy your reasonable concerns.  

Post: Acquiring abandoned properties

Paul YoungerPosted
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  • Fayetteville, AR
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You can use actdatascout to find the owner of the property by searching the address.  If they are tax delinquent, then finding the owner will probably be difficult because something has probably happened to the owner (ie, they are probably dead).  If you can't contact the owner of record, then you would have to wait until it gets auctioned at the tax property auction.  Its usually 4-5 years of delinquency before the properties are auctioned.  Once you buy it at the auction, then a quiet title suit/confirmation of sale suit can be started as soon as you receive your deed.  This step is necessary to obtain marketable title to the property (ie, meaning you can sell it through a title company).  Most buyers will not accept and should not accept a tax sale deed without a quiet title suit to clear all remaining issues of title (such as liens, mortgages, other interested parties, heirs, etc).  So factor the cost of that suit into the amount you are willing to bid on the property.

Tax sales are done once a year in each county in Arkansas, usually through the summer months, starting in April.  See the Arkansas Commissioner of State Lands Website to find dates and locations of auctions, terms of purchase, and properties that are available.  And you can contact me directly for more information and usual costs of quiet title suits.

Post: Northwest Arkansas Meetup

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I have a jury trial scheduled in Searcy that day, but if it gets settled, I'll be there

Post: Arkansas tax deed sales

Paul YoungerPosted
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  • Fayetteville, AR
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Greg - 

I would also add that the Quiet Title and Confirmation of sale suit is important to remove any liens that may have been placed on the property when it was owned by the former land owner.  If you plan to make any improvements, its best to Quiet title first to ensure that the money you spend on the property is safe.  Generally, in a Quiet Title suit, we have more issues with the lien holders than the former owners.  The reason is simple, if the former owners have the money to hire an attorney and challenge the sale, then they probably would have paid the taxes!  Contact me if you have any questions about the process.  

Post: Real Estate Attorney vs Title Company

Paul YoungerPosted
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  • Fayetteville, AR
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As an attorney in Arkansas, I'd recommend closing through a title company with title insurance.  I can do the closing for you, but I can't provide the title insurance.  In most situations, you want title insurance and its worth paying for.  And as far as investigating the chain of title, checking for liens, etc goes, the title company is usually cheaper than I am.  I send that sort of work out to a title company rather than doing it myself, to save clients money.  Also, since the title company is the one that is insuring the title, they are going to do that work anyways to protect themselves.  Many title companies in Arkansas have an attorney on staff or are owned by an attorney.  So an attorney usually reviews the transaction, but that's not necessarily the same as having your attorney review the transaction.

Post: Tax Foreclosure Financing - Arkansas

Paul YoungerPosted
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  • Fayetteville, AR
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Just to add to what Dustin said, those properties are high risk, but can also be high reward.  There are title issues that need to be investigated before you bid, and to obtain good title to the property, you have to do a Quiet Title and Confirmation of Sale Lawsuit (so add $3k to the cost of the property for the lawsuit).  And Christopher is correct, the terms of sale require full payment the day of the auction, so you have to have the financing already completed before you bid.  You can use financing from a bank if you have a revolving line of credit or something like that, but a bank will not issue a traditional mortgage because there is not time for that and the issues with the title prevent the bank from using the property to be purchased as collateral.  Feel free to get in touch with me if you have other questions, I attend the auctions regularly and do the lawsuits to get clear title post sale (I'm an attorney in Fayetteville, AR).