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All Forum Posts by: Paul DeSilva

Paul DeSilva has started 24 posts and replied 146 times.

Post: Buildium no longer syndicating (with out fees)?

Paul DeSilva
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Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Originally posted by @Paul DeSilva:
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

@Paul DeSilva this has nothing to do with Buildium playing nice with others, but rather Zillow choosing to charge for listings. You will have the same issue with any platform if you try to syndicate to Zillow owned platforms. 

I agree, it seems to be that most listing service providers are getting away from FREE listings. This is just another expense that we will have to account for. I was trying to bring light to the point of Buildium is less attractive for us now. It is an expense that may not be needed for our company right now. There are free property management software options and other possibilities that may work better for us but we are still undecided if moving companies and having the hassle of that for us and our tenants is worth while. 

 When I first got in the business in 2004, newspapers and yard signs where the main ways you advertised rentals. It cost $15 a week for two lines in the paper. It was just a regular business expense. In business it really comes down to value more than expense. I see people spent $100 of time to save $5. It is tripping over dollars to catch pennies. Buildium should be doing far more for your business than syndicating listings. You could switch to a free platform, but keep in mind most free software is usually headed towards monetization in the future. Free is usually just a way to attract users. There are three ways for software to make money:

1. Pay to use it

2. Advertise on the platform

3. Pay services within the platform

My point is that nothing is free. Any business needs to make money, whether today or in the future.



Agreed nothing is free. 

We find a ton more value in Buildium than just the syndication. Its tenant portal is great, online payments, tenant screening, tenant files.....

That being said there seem to be very comparable platforms for a fraction of the price. My original post was trying to make a point of monthly subscriptions seem to be the new norm, which I understand that companies need to monetize their services. Also that Buildium keeps increasing in price. I like to know where all of our dollars go and how hard they are working for us when they get there. We are looking for the best value. 

Also I still use yard signs at one of our properties that is located on a busy road with an average of 8000 cars passing per day.

Post: Buildium no longer syndicating (with out fees)?

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Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

@Paul DeSilva this is happening with all the software providers. I use Propertyware and ShowMojo, both of which syndicate to dozens of websites. They no longer syndicate to Zillow but it's not their fault. Zillow is getting too big for their britches and needs to increase income, so they now charge $10 per listing per week to advertise on their website.

I stopped syndicating to Zillow and guess what happened? My leads came in from other sources! I haven't slowed down a bit and I'm at 400 units with somewhere around 15 rentals marketed at any given time. When Zillow shuts down, others pick up the slack.

As for software, Buildium is decent for getting started but there are probably free/cheap options like Cozy, TenantCloud, and others. I personally know TenantCloud can handle marketing syndication, maintenance tracking, online payments, and much more. Since you're already using QB to track finances, I don't know why you can't switch to a cheap alternative like TenantCloud for $10 - $15 a month.

 I did a deep dive into TC last night and it seems like a very robust platform and much more customizable than Buildium. If we do make the switch it will probably be over a 3-6 month period.

Post: Buildium no longer syndicating (with out fees)?

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Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

@Paul DeSilva this has nothing to do with Buildium playing nice with others, but rather Zillow choosing to charge for listings. You will have the same issue with any platform if you try to syndicate to Zillow owned platforms. 

I agree, it seems to be that most listing service providers are getting away from FREE listings. This is just another expense that we will have to account for. I was trying to bring light to the point of Buildium is less attractive for us now. It is an expense that may not be needed for our company right now. There are free property management software options and other possibilities that may work better for us but we are still undecided if moving companies and having the hassle of that for us and our tenants is worth while. 

Post: Buildium no longer syndicating (with out fees)?

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Originally posted by @Matthew Irish-Jones:

@Paul DeSilva buildium is not a great software. It’s greatest asset is how easy it is to learn.

It’s horrible for accounting, billing, it’s work order function is terrible, clients hate their owner statements, and it is absolutely worthless for job costing.

The fact that it’s not pushing out to as many syndicated sites is another example of Buildium falling behind the times.

Lastly, it really has almost no options to be able to customize anything.

It's not a robust platform for the aforementioned items. I do like the platform for the reasons that I listed in the previous post. That being said I could probably get software that will handle listings, communications and online payments for a third of the price or free BUT we are already intergraded with Buildium, we like the tenant portal they have, we like the website that comes with it and it's working for now. We have a 12 unit portfolio that we self manage and are probably not using Buildium to its full potential. 

Being a smaller company every dollar counts and Buildium is becoming more expensive every year, as we scale maybe we will get more out of it..... 

Kind of rambling on here so to sum it up we do like Buildium in the capacity that we use it but we could probably find something comparable for free and we are still not sure if we will keep using Buildium when its time to renew our subscription.  

Post: Buildium no longer syndicating (with out fees)?

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Originally posted by @Shea Spinelli:

@Ben Day @Paul DeSilva I'm in the process of choosing a software company and it came down to AppFolio and Buildium. AppFolio won't take my business since I'm not at 50 units yet. Buildium says there is a misunderstanding and they don't charge for syndication. The rep said it's a charge on the site they push to that we have to have a relationship with. I've found QBO isn't powerful enough to handle the detailed accounting needed. We run QB desktop and will continue to. I'm leaning heavily to implementing Buildium and came across this thread. I test drove TC and they wouldn't let me onboard non-US citizen's (here legally) and I have some residents on visa here.

Plus, Buildium has a great app for the residents and this is going a long way with my number one requested item to provide.

Like said in this thread, I believe that software selection really depends on what you need to get out of it. We are sticking with Buildium for now because it's working for us. That being said we do not use Buildium for bookkeeping or contractors. We mainly use it for tenant screening, rent collection, listing vacancies and communication with tenants. We use QBO for bookkeeping and manage contractors directly. 

Post: First time small MHP deal

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Hey BP,

We are in negotiations on this immaculate 6 unit multifamily property which consists of a 3 Family house and 3 Mobile Homes. We have the property inspection on Saturday and think that it will go fine. The property is extremely well kept, many recent big Capex upgrades, has almost no deferred maintenance, long term tenants, almost a 0% vacancy rate, in a great location and room to raise rents to market value over time. The current owner has done an amazing job of record keeping on maintenance and repairs. He is looking to retire and cash out.


Our only reservations are with the Mobile Homes, we just don't know enough about them. This mixed style property is not in our wheelhouse, we usually just deal with MFH's but we see good long term value to be had here. We have looked up values and come up with some different/nonconclusive results. They are in good condition and on 8" reinforced slabs with proper tie downs, blocked and skirted, they all have pitched, shingle roofs. 

Any input on the value of these or where to get a fair and accurate value would be appreciated. These would remain park owned homes. The numbers in the calculations are from the owners books and seem to be accurate. 

Trailer #5 2006 Pine Grove Model G490 14x60

Trailer #7 2004 Pine Grove Model G490 14x60

Trailer #9 1988 Schult Model #6014-314 14x56






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*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

Post: Feedback on Apt 6 Unit

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7 % is crazy. Shop around. I just got quoted 3.625% for commercial and 2.75% for a single family.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

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Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

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Hey BP,

We are in negotiations on this immaculate 6 unit multifamily property which consists of a 3 Family house and 3 Mobile Homes. The property is extremely well kept, many recent upgrades, has almost no deferred maintenance, long term tenants, almost a 0% vacancy rate, in a great location and room to raise rents to market value over time. The current owner has done an amazing job of record keeping on maintenance and repairs ( I will try to attach 1 of the documents he has provided)


Our only reservations are with the Mobile Homes, we just don't know enough about them. We have looked up values and come up with some different/nonconclusive results. They are on 8" reinforced slabs with proper tie downs and skirted, they all have pitched, shingle roofs. Any input on the value of these or where to get a fair and accurate value would be appreciated.

Trailer #5 2006 Pine Grove Model G490 14x60

Trailer #7 2004 Pine Grove Model G490 14x60

Trailer #9 1988 Shult Model #6014-314 14x56

View report

*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

Thanks,

Paul

Post: Pet Policies to Ruff?

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Thank for all the feedback everyone!