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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Tudor

Patrick Tudor has started 9 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: Questions to ask absentee owners in Direct Mail

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Shaun J.:

DO NOT ASK ANYTHING 

Here is why

Direct mail is meant to create a "Call To Action" -- Meaning you didn't get their name and address from thin air. You know they have a problem, and you can be the problem solver. Be it by buying certain lists with certain criteria, etc. Even driving for dollars, skip tracing, checking taxes, foreclosures etc. There is a REASON for your mail. 

"Dear First Name, 

My Name is Shaun. I buy houses in any condition or any situation using Cash. 

I am interested in buying your home at xxx main street in (That Town)

I can close in less than 30 days, and if it helps, I will pay all closing costs. 

Please give me a call or text anytime at:

xxx-xxx-xxxx

Thanks, 

(Your Signature) 

"

Also, put in the damn work. Don't hire some mass mail company who prints out letters and sends them. If you are hungry enough, you will put in the work to hand write them and lick and stick them off to the post office. 

 Thanks for the reply man. I haven't actually sent any mail, yet! I do have the list/envelopes/stamps ready. I am just concerned on what tends to happen when they reply. I understand what you are saying. Obviously if they reply = they are at least interested in selling. What do you typically say when they reply to you? Thank You!

Post: Questions to ask absentee owners in Direct Mail

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6

What questions should I ask when property owners reply to my direct mail? (I do not plan on purchasing all cash in my direct mail campaigns - going to do typical bank financing)?

- Since it's not listed for sale, do I ask "asking price"

- or do I just ask about Gross rents, vacancies, repairs, property tax, insurance, etc????

Post: Starting Direct Mailing for Absentee Owners in my area.

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Jerryll Noorden:

wait.

Why did you decide to do DMM for absentee owners?

It really is not the best list to sent to... in my honest opinion...

But alas... I will answer you regardless, because I am just that good of a dude.

You will write absentee owners the same thing you would write bad tanant owners.

Simply this.

Hey my name is Enigno Montoya, 

You killed my father

Prepare to die.

If you do not know where this is from I am devorcing you right now!

After that you say...

I woul dlove to buy your house. I am an investor and I will buy in cash so there will be no hassles. If interested hunny bunz call me @ 1-800-SexyBum

Yes ... there is no magic letter. You say what you want to tell them. The less trickery, the better it will be received.

The BETTER tip is..

the ONLY point for the direct mailer is to send them over to your website. Have no website? You should NOT do DMM at all till you have a GREAT website. PERIOD. 

The website will do a MUCH better job converting your traffic than the mailer alone can.

Just do as I say. I know all!

Obey The Ape

 LOL Thanks for the reply man. I live in an area where "good areas" are not abundant, and these areas are relatively small (Huntington, WV). What direct mail target do you recommend, and how do you go about getting a list of them (owner address and property address)??

I bow to your superior knowledge lol. 

Post: Starting Direct Mailing for Absentee Owners in my area.

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6

I am getting started in Direct Mailing Absentee Owners of 3+ units in my area. I purchased my list from ListSource. I have some general questions:

1. What is a good way/letter to to write to a Absentee Owner List?

2. I purchased my list from ListSource. Its a $50 payment minimum, so i had to expand in unwanted areas as my area didn't make the total $50. I marked off areas on the printed sheet with a marker. Do you all look up every single property on the mailing list? Or just start writing/mailing letters immediately? 

3. Any success/tips to share?

Thanks!

Post: How many realtors/brokers should I contact for Commercial RE?

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6

I am looking to purchase land (or existing building) to build (rehab) a fast-casual restaurant in an area with approximately 450K-500K people (I do not live in this area and would have to move).

Is it unethical to contact 10+ different realtors/brokers to find locations? Wanting to have something under contract within 6 months. 

Post: How Passive can it be to own larger apartments?

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Ben Leybovich:

First, forget anything under about 90 units if you want any resemblance of passivity. The numbers don't work to accommodate professional management infrastructure, and professional management doesn't want that deal.

Secondly, if you are indeed going to adhere to number one, and go after bigger stuff, then you will either run it, which is not passive or invest in it, which can be quite passive. Good luck!

 Thanks for the input! Grant Cardone often speaks about the secret number of units is 38 (to be able to pay a pm). What do you think is the difference between the management you are speaking about and he is speaking about - is terms of passivity? 

Glad you replied - checking out your website!

Post: How Passive can it be to own larger apartments?

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6

 I would definitely consider all that work. I was just trying to figure out if I was missing anything, and how much monitoring you actually had to do. What exactly do you do to push marketing?   Thank you for your time and for the inside look of issues/management! I operate my family's few restaurants so I understand things break down (even new things). 

Post: How Passive can it be to own larger apartments?

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Ed Matson:

We have a 46 unit MF that is professionally managed.  We give the PM general direction and monitor their performance. We also handle the insurances.  The PM does everything else. Leasing, maintenance, etc.  I think our PM is very good, but this is not as passive as investing in a syndication.  For example, PM's can be more concerned about keeping high occupancy than keeping up with market rent increases, and you may end up charging under market rents.  So, the owner must know rents in the market and work with the PM to strike a balance between maintaining high occupancy and not leaving money on the table.  So, if you want your investment to be maximally profitable, you need to act as the asset manager, or hire one if your holdings warrant that.  Having said all that, we (two of us) probably spend a total of 2-4 hours/month on the property.

 Thanks for the reply! How did you go about finding your PM? 

Post: How Passive can it be to own larger apartments?

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Michael Le:

Even with a 3rd party manager your work as an asset manager is not passive. It can be a lot of work. It won't be full time but it's not hands off either unless you want your asset to go down the toilet.

 Thank you for the reply! Say your properties are mainly B-Class properties with little to no deferred maintenance (at the moment), what specifically would you be doing as an asset manager (as the only owner) besides: Studying the market/raising rents, monitoring pm performance, deciding when to sell/refinance, negotiating deals with purchasers/sellers?

Post: How Passive can it be to own larger apartments?

Patrick TudorPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Sarasota, FL
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6

How passive can someone invest/own larger apartments? Say someone makes enough in their primary business to invest in larger apartments (40-200 units) and decides to hire a good 3rd party manager. How passive of an investor can this owner be?  Grant Cardone owns thousands of units, and he claims its all passive (which sounds like it would be seeing that his primary business takes a whole lot of his time).