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All Forum Posts by: Patrick M.

Patrick M. has started 13 posts and replied 120 times.

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
When I discover damages, I typically require them to make repairs immediately and then I follow up with an inspection to verify. However, if it's a small matter, like a TV mount in the living room, I will typically notify them that it is a violation and they will be required to pay to have it repaired prior to vacating but I do not require it immediately because it's a small cost. 
You bring up another point “when I discover damages I typically require THEM to repair immediately”. 

if it’s a trampoline out back yes I expect them to take it down. However other issues dealing with the property can I just send out a handyman to fix/replace immediately and bill back to the tenant? Removing “them” from the repair. 

im starting to think about this from a rental car standpoint. If I rented a car the rental agency wouldn’t let me change the oil or repair a door or rotate the tires. 

same thing with houses. If a tenant damages something or is in lease violation, I should send out a repair person upon discovery and bill back the tenant 
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

My lease allows for the Tenant to hang a reasonable amount of art or family pictures on the walls. I don't allow for shelves, TV mounts or other large items because of the damage. They can buy a TV stand for cheaper than it would cost to professionally install and then pay for repairing the wall.

If they disobey the rule and do it anyway, I hire a licensed contractor to repair and the Tenant pays for it. It doesn't happen often, maybe 1% of the time.

This is a good idea. If “they do it anyways” do you wait until move out to charge and repair. Or do you do it immediately upon discovery?
Quote from @Theresa Harris:

Option 1.  Have them buy it and pay for your person to install it.  Let them know they will have to pay to have it properly removed and the old one installed again at the end of their lease...or it remains after they leave.

Tenant: I want my tv installed on the wall. 

Property Owner: sure no problem. I will have my handyman come out and set the bracket. When you’re ready to move out they come remove the bracket, repair the drywall holes and paint. This will all be billed to you. Could be $200+. 

Tenant: nah I’ll just do it myself (After you leave of course) 

property owner at an inspection : I see you mounted the tv without permission that’ll be $500 or you need to move out. 

I do struggle balancing human element with black and white rules 

Quote from @Kimothy Bynum:

I had a similar situation. The tenants wanted to install a ceiling fan in their room so they contacted me and said they would install it their selves. So they tried to change it but couldn't get it to connect so i called an electrician to do it he did it i paid him and billed the tenants by adding it to the rent. Looking back at it i should've just said no because it just extra stuff going on that's not necessary and could've turned into a bigger problem even tho its just a ceiling fan.  

For part 2 I would have them revert it back to the way it was before they left if not maybe take some of the security deposit when they move in order to revert it back.


 Another exact situation I want to have a plan for is ceiling fan like you said. I’ve installed several and they can be complicated. Certainly not something I want to be done by tenants of which I have no idea if they are remotely capable. 

Seems to come up a lot with “accessory” items. Fans. Security cameras. Tvs. Paint, etc

I want to help tenants feel at home but can’t allow DIY projects. 

2 part question (Single family house)

1. Tenant wants a ring flood light installed which means removing existing flood/security light. Do you get your electrician/handyman involved to come and install and bill back to tenant?

2. Tenant installs ring flood light on their own without your approval therefore removing the existing flood light. Do you send out a notice to “repair”. Do you bill them at the end of their lease/move out to have handyman/electrician reinstall previous flood light?

I have security cameras and my tv on the wall. It’s fairly common these days. How do you keep up with typical society without letting tenants DIY?

Initial jobless claims just posted higher than estimates. The economy and consumer is no where near the same as when rates were 15% in the 70s/80s. The debt levels are substantially different, wages, wealth imbalances.  Grain markets 20-37% off their recent highs.  SPY 20% off highs.  Lumber 37% off highs.  Crude 20% off the highs.  Bitcoin 70% off it's highs.

Student loans haven't been getting paid.

Real estate has plenty of room to come down when mortgage rates jump 100% and people are only dropping 5% off list. STR market adds inventory (less travel, overbought, etc), 2nd homes adds inventory, foreclosures add inventory as people look for ways to generate cash or reduce leverage/risk. New builds isn't the only source of inventory.

AMAZON.COM is trading at it's pre-covid price.  If you don't think house prices can come back near 2019-2020 levels???

Just because rates "come down" lets say back to 5.5% v 6% in the near term, doesn't mean people can afford to pay the high price of a house when their money has been inflated away, their income is gone due to job loss etc. 

Gas prices going from $5.00 to $4.50 isn't generating economic activity and additional spending, and certainly your typical homebuyer today isn't saying "gas dropped .50 and mortgage rates went from 6% to 5.5%, i think i'll go buy that house that's been sitting for 20 days 100k over what it sold for in 2019."

Are housing values supported by low inventory in the long run, yes.  however I believe it's reasonable to say that if the median home price per FRED is 428k (rounded Q1 2022) a 20% drop back near the Q3-Q4 2020 pricing 350k area is certainly reasonable.

Quote from @Jack Seiden:
Quote from @Scott Mac:

Unwinds tell tales of rough water ahead.

Heré  is a more granual look the original numbers. 

16.60% Birmingham, AL

17.80% Little Rock, A

16.70% Fayetteville, AR

24.50% Phoenix, AZ

21.10% Tucson, AZ

20.90% Riverside, CA

19.80% Sacramento, CA

19.50% San Diego, CA

18.30% Anaheim, CA

17.70% Los Angeles, CA

9.70% San Jose, CA

8.90% Oakland, CA

5.50% San Francisco, CA

18.00% Denver, CO

9.00% Colorado Springs, CO

14.80% New Haven, CT

13.30% Bridgeport, CT

12.50% Hartford, CT

11.40% Washington, D DC.

26.70% Lakeland, FL

25.70% Cape Coral, FL

25.70% Port St. Lucie, FL

25.30% Jacksonville, FL

24.90% Palm Bay, FL

24.50% Orlando, FL

23.50% Crestview, FL

23.10% Deltona, FL

23.00% Tampa, FL

22.10% West Palm Beach, FL

22.00% Fort Lauderdale, FL

21.90% Pensacola, FL

21.50% Miami, FL

20.90% North Port, FL

22.00% Atlanta, GA

13.00% Des Moines, IA

21.50% Boise, ID

16.70% Chicago, IL

16.30% Elgin, IL

15.70% Lake County, IL

18.80% Gary, IN

13.80% Indianapolis, IN

17.20% Louisville, KY

25.30% New Orleans, LA

22.20% Baton Rouge, LA

11.90% Worcester, MA

9.60% Boston, MA

12.00% Baltimore, MD

8.30% Frederick, MD

8.00% Portland, ME

16.60% Detroit, MI

14.20% Grand Rapids, MI

12.70% Warren, MI

8.80% Minneapolis, MN

12.20% St. Louis, MO

11.90% Kansas City, MO

12.50% Winston-Salem, NC

11.60% Charlotte, NC

10.10% Fayetteville, NC

10.00% Greensboro, NC

7.00% Raleigh, NC

5.30% Omaha, NE

14.70% Camden, NJ

8.80% New Brunswick, NJ

2.60% Newark, NJ

17.90% Albuquerque, NM

27.20% Las Vegas, NV

15.30% Albany, NY

6.80% New York, NY

6.70% Buffalo, NY

5.50% Nassau County, NY

4.60% Rochester, NY

17.30% Cleveland, OH

16.00% Dayton, OH

14.50% Akron, OH

13.60% Columbus, OH

12.30% Cincinnati, OH

20.20% Oklahoma City, OK

18.10% Tulsa, OK

16.60% Portland, OR

14.80% Pittsburgh, PA

10.90% Philadelphia, PA

6.40% Allentown, PA

6.00% Montgomery County, PA

10.50% Providence, RI

17.40% Myrtle Beach, SC

14.10% Charleston, SC

13.40% Greenville, SC

18.30% Memphis, TN

16.80% Chattanooga, TN

16.70% Knoxville, TN

16.30% Nashville, TN

22.90% Houston, TX

20.30% San Antonio, TX

19.90% Dallas, TX

18.90% Fort Worth, TX

17.90% Austin, TX

22.40% Salt Lake City, UT

14.90% Virginia Beach, VA

10.80% Richmond, VA

18.00% Tacoma, WA

10.50% Seattle, WA

8.90% Milwaukee, WI


 It’s pretty clear prices are going to come down, to some extent if you knew nothing else about the market and someone told you the average mortgage payment was $800 higher than last year you’d expect prices to come down. Yes rates are still low by historical standard’s but prices aren’t, a 18% interest rate on 100k or whatever is much different than 6% on 600k. Lastly inventory is increasing, forclosures are up etc, still well below historic norms but higher than this time last year. You don’t need the market to be historically bad for prices to come down just worse than the conditions that supported the prices last year, I think that’s a logically fallacy a lot of people fall into. The good news is prices have already moderated in a lot of places (Some areas of D.C. proper already appear to be 10% off peak.) and I think it’s actually a decentish time to find a deal tbh. 

very well said here @Jack Seiden

Brings up a good point about renters insurance.  They might have proof the initial time but how do you continue to document that they continue to hold/pay renters insurance?
Coming back to my thread.  After nearly 3 years of the same tenants I must say I will need to inspect the property likely quarterly going forward with the new tenants.  When I was in the property about once every 9 months things looked to be pretty good.  It looks like within the last 2-3 months things started to take a turn.  They are in the process of curing and will be revisiting on Friday as well as next Monday.  

Good lessons learned that despite being SF B class, more frequent check ins will be appropriate with the next tenants. As well as strict documentation and notices.

As far as cure, going forward I believe I will send in a professional to fix and then I will have to bill the tenant.  Or do you require tenant show proof of professional fix?  

@Joe Cassandra are you still doing self tours? Just heard of this from a property management company yesterday. How is it working out for you?