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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 19 posts and replied 44 times.

Post: SoCal properties do not cash flow... what to do?

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  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 7

I have probably looked at hundreds of MLS listings over the past couple of years. Interested in acquiring another residential multi-family (2-4 units). Rarely if ever do I see anything that cash flows. Gross rents - Principle/interest/taxes/insurance generally results in a loss of $1-2k or more monthly.

I own properties in the same area that I purchased many years ago which cash flow remarkably well.  Is now no longer the right time to invest in southern california?  Or am I not looking in the right places for deals?

Post: Proposed Metro Rail Extension by my units - Time to sell?

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  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

@Account Closed I never did a study on it.  Once the new train was a fait accomplice it didn't much matter.

It was just a mess that the abutters had to deal with.

However, I can tell you that when working with buyers, my objective is to talk them OUT of every property they loos at.  This is so that they will be happy with whatever home they eventually choose.  

Proximity to train tracks is one of the primary factors I encourage them to consider.

 Thanks for clarifying. 

Post: Proposed Metro Rail Extension by my units - Time to sell?

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  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
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Originally posted by @Jennifer Petrillo:

Time to sell? More like time to raise the rent! Agree with other NJ posters and have noticed myself that rental income properties near train lines sell like hotcakes. You may end up looking like a genius for buying there.

 Hi Jennifer, thanks for your input.  Have you found this in your personal experience flipping properties or rather observed it in the broader local market?  Have you noticed this trend along the rail lines or solely in the *immediate* vicinity of stations?

Thanks

Post: Proposed Metro Rail Extension by my units - Time to sell?

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  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Aaron K.:

If it is working class and most people commute into LA for work it will probably be a good thing and a selling point for tenants, if most of the tenants work nearby it probably will make little difference to the current value.

 Just responded with some more demographics.  Looks like avg commute time to work is 25 to 30 minutes.  80% by car.

Post: Proposed Metro Rail Extension by my units - Time to sell?

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  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Von S.:

Piggybacking on @Charlie MacPherson's comment, I think another way to analyze whether it's worth holding onto this property is to look at the demographics in your area. In Charlie's experience with the train extension in Scituate, he saw a decrease in home values. This makes sense to me in that I think the demographics in Scituate lean toward more established and older families looking for a peaceful living environment. In my experience, talks of train extension in Somerville (formerly referred to as "Slummerville")-- about a mile or so away from Boston proper, showed increases in price in the exact neighborhood the extension was being built. Further, more mixed-use condos went up in that area as well. My thinking here is that the demographic attracted to Somerville are younger professionals (DINKs or single person household) and they accept the noise as a given to having access to the train. Also, this demographic drive less as well.

All this said, look around your neighborhood. Do you see older established families or so called millennials moving in? Who are your current renters now? Do you see mixed use condos being built or retirement homes or single family homes? This will give you a sense of the demographic trends and you can decide whether this will increase the demand for your property or not when the train comes in. Also, most city economic dept. break down demographics by neighborhood so you might want to check into this-- usually available on city's website.

 In my area, housing is a mix of SFRs and duplexes, with a larger apartment every here and there.  Not too many new developments I'm aware of, but I don't expect the housing mix to change considerably.  I'd consider the larger neighborhood working class.  Majority Hispanic.  The local area on my street is probably one of the nicer/nicest parts of the town - lots of neighbors have re-modeled, a really nice duplex is being developed down the street that will be listed for $1M to $1.3M.  Most SFRs in the city probably would go for 450k to 650k right now, duplexes 500k to 750k.   Neighbors in my immediate vicinity are, again, diverse.  Mix of retirees, working class families (landscaper, salesman, dry cleaner worker, etc.), and some younger higher-income couples w/o kids (age mid-thirties) moving in.

I did some research online and found a few relevant data points for the overall city:

Median HH income is 55k vs. 68k average in CA.

Medium duplex value is 530k (my duplex is one of the nicer ones, thus higher value and much higher rent premium)

Median gross rent 1400 monthly per unit

Demographics: 65% Hispanic, 15% white, ~10% black, ~10% Asian

Average age 35 years old

40% never married, 45% married

~40% residents foreign born

~80% residents commute by car (makes sense - we are right by a major freeway and no commuter train present day), 20% other modes of transportation

Post: Proposed Metro Rail Extension by my units - Time to sell?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

@Von S. To be clear, I think the homes that were abutting or VERY close to the train tracks were impacted.

The rest of the town, like all of eastern MA continued to ride the rising market.  

The negative impacts were hyper-local - down to the street level.

 Charlie, were you able to quantify how bad the local impacts were?

Von, I like your idea of looking into demographics and will do some research on it later and post.

Post: Proposed Metro Rail Extension by my units - Time to sell?

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  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 7

Interesting dialogue playing out here - one group of posters encourages holding out and another strongly recommends selling as quickly as possible.  Funny how this parallels studies that have been done on the impact of rail lines on property values: mixed results.  I should add that the line extension being proposed is close to a major freeway, so this development would only be beneficial to commuters relying on public transportation instead of car.

@Aaron K. I would say the demographics lean towards working class

@Von S. Good idea

@Charlie MacPherson Thanks for your thorough response.  It sounds like you had quite a negative experience in this situation.  Do you base your advise to people to sell based solely on the situation with MBTA?  Or are you also aware of other developments around the country that have had a similar negative result for residents?

Post: Proposed Metro Rail Extension by my units - Time to sell?

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  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Jo-Ann Lapin:

I think it great that everyone is giving you feedback here. Really the magic question is if you do sell what can replace this with? 

 Good question.  I wouldn't plan to replace right away via 1031.  I've lived here long enough to be exempt from capital gains.  When the time is right, I'd purchase another 2-4 unit property that is a fixer-upper.  Could be within a few months or as long as a few years away (depending on career developments, graduate school decisions, etc etc)

Post: Proposed Metro Rail Extension by my units - Time to sell?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Manolo D.:

There will be programs for that, just like houses close to the airport, they have a quite building program that is being paid for by LAWA, I assume it will be the same, the probable issue will be the ground shakings / vibrations when rails pass. How about the chances with proximity? If the stop is close, then it could potentially be a plus. The issue you are facing is, the very reason why you want to sell it will be the very reason buyers don’t want to buy it.

 The nearest station will be 0.4 miles away but the train passes about 100 ft by my house.  I live close to a RR crossing.

Agreed that is the issue I'm facing, thus evaluating whether to sell before this project becomes more "real"

Post: Proposed Metro Rail Extension by my units - Time to sell?

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  • Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
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  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Patrick Liska:

Patrick,

 no i am not talking to myself, it all depends, will they be building a station near the house or will the town just be a pass through ? that is something you need to find out, having a station will bring the value up.

 The station will be 0.4 miles away, but I live one house away from one of the crossings it will go through (100 ft or so away)