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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Flanagan

Patrick Flanagan has started 89 posts and replied 250 times.

Post: Owner phone number contact information

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166
Quote from @Scott Mac:
Quote from @Patrick Flanagan:

Hey there,

As I'm sifting through LLC and owners of apartment complexes, I have a hard time tracking down a owners phone number. I even looked up my info on whitepages and it has a wrong number listed from when I was 18.

I’m not great with direct mail letters and get little to no responses… they are also time consuming. if I could shoot a owner a phone call to have a sit down meeting with them or just over the phone. I’m trying to build a relationship with them and learn how they got to where they are. 

Thanks,

Pat 

Hi Patrick,

Just wondering how you intend to "Build relationships" with them.

Invite them over for BBQ on Sunday, go hunting, build a NASCAR Replica together, go Bass Fishing?

Or are you trying to figure out what you should do to move forward (wanting advice on that).

 Stuff poor people don't do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vN9To5MkQ


 That’s a badass car

Post: Owner phone number contact information

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166
Quote from @Scott Mac:
Quote from @Patrick Flanagan:

Hey there,

As I'm sifting through LLC and owners of apartment complexes, I have a hard time tracking down a owners phone number. I even looked up my info on whitepages and it has a wrong number listed from when I was 18.

I’m not great with direct mail letters and get little to no responses… they are also time consuming. if I could shoot a owner a phone call to have a sit down meeting with them or just over the phone. I’m trying to build a relationship with them and learn how they got to where they are. 

Thanks,

Pat 

Hi Patrick,

Just wondering how you intend to "Build relationships" with them.

Invite them over for BBQ on Sunday, go hunting, build a NASCAR Replica together, go Bass Fishing?

Or are you trying to figure out what you should do to move forward (wanting advice on that).


thanks for the response again, I want to know what I should do to move forward. Maybe we can connect over messenger? 

Post: Owner phone number contact information

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Patrick Flanagan You should start with being more honest about your TRUE objectives.

Interesting how your initial post of, "I’m trying to build a relationship with them and learn how they got to where they are." 

changed to, "So either in the future they will think of me if they want to sell or maybe they can say I don’t have any properties for sale but I know some people that do."

then to, "More or less my goal is to buy a smaller apartment by next July."

You must think we're all idiots to pull a bait & switch like this:)





 That’s funny. My goal is to buy a apartment complex by next year. To do that you need to learn how to do it from people that are in the space. I’m not gaining the information and networking to eventually not buy a apartment complex. Lol 

so yes my goal is the build relationships, gain mentors, and maybe a deal might come out of it. 
my plan is not to go to a owner with the intentions of acting like I’m just learning, then ask to buy their 16 unit on X street. That’s how I bought my 4 plex, I went to the owner who had a lot of properties, I told him my goal is to buy and live in a unit of a 4 plex. He told me how he started, and a few months later he hit me up saying he had a 4 plex that he’d sell me and I bought it. But I had to build a relationship with him to make that happen. Or else he would of had no clue who I was, and it was a off market deal.  I had no clue he owned that specific 4 plex that I bought. 

Post: Owner phone number contact information

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166
Quote from @Jake Soper:

I'd be happy to share REI direct mail best practices with you Patrick, and also some lead types & templates that have been performing well for customers of ours.

That would be awesome!

Post: Owner phone number contact information

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166
Quote from @Bryan Mitchell:
Quote from @Patrick Flanagan:
Quote from @Evan Polaski:

@Patrick Flanagan, is there a for lease sign on the property with a phone number? If not, does that same LLC own multiple properties in the area, and the others have for lease signs?

Talk to some tenants, see if they have the manager or owner's number.  As Melissa noted, someone knows who the owner is, and can get ahold of them.

Also, just to clarify, the reason people use direct mail is because even though you feel like it takes a lot of time to get no responses, it is still faster than doing all of this research to still get 99+% "not interested in selling".  While I have never done call campaigns at scale, I have done a few dozen on specific properties I like, and even though I have connected with about 80% of these calls, I still got 100% no's.  The point being, off market deals will always be a very, very low conversion rate.  You are intentionally targeting people that do not have any desire to sell (I say "any desire", because the barriers to listing a property is VERY low and the seller can't even come to that point).


Thank you for the reply. The sole purpose of my call is to sit down with a successful investor and learn about there investments. I don’t not intend to call and ask to buy their property. When I receive direct mail letters or phone calls for people saying I want to buy your places I don’t respond most of the time. But if someone called me asking me how I got started and what my real estate plans are I’d be happy to talk about it. 
so my reason for calling isn’t to ask to buy, I want to build as many relationships as I can. So either in the future they will think of me if they want to sell or maybe they can say I don’t have any properties for sale but I know some people that do.


I think building a relationship with owners is a big over looked step, so when your genuine and truly want to learn from someone, they will be more likely to give you a deal in the future. 
any thoughts??   

Patrick, you mentioned that you didn’t want to do direct mail campaign because it was very time-consuming and had a low probability of success. Then, you said that you had no intention of asking them to buy the property. You said that you only wanted to establish a relationship. If you’re big Why is “establishing relationship“ then I see no need for a direct mail or cold calling campaign. Instead, why don’t you just continue the network with other investors in your Market? Also, I want you to get a property and you lies and your interview several property management companies, you have a really good understanding of good operators in the area. Getting to know good operators in the area, is more networking. Then you start dealing with contractors. Getting to know more contractors is awesome networking. After a couple years you’ll know investors, property managers, bankers, insurance companies, attorneys, and CPA’s which are all part of your network now. At some point you were going to help someone out and they were going to help you out in return. Figure that as a organic process. This is why I don’t like the term “passive“ investor. I don’t know of truly successful investors who have reached their potential as an investor. 
More or less my goal is to buy a smaller apartment by next July. 

 So exactly what you said I need to be marketing and meeting the people in the game, I’m just trying to by pass the small single family investors, or people with just a few properties. I’m trying to catch the big fish. Lol I want to go to the people that have done what I’m trying to do. There’s a lot of real estate advice givers out there… but I’d like that advice to be from someone who has been there and done that. 

Maybe I need to make that my goal for this month, meet a few property managers, commercial mortgage brokers, and realtors for commercial units 

Post: Owner phone number contact information

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166
Quote from @Melissa S Vrobel:

@Patrick Flanagan...  You need to find the locals who know the owner.  That could be a government office, lender, property manager... etc.  Most large properties will not have an easy way to contact the owner because that is the reason to form a business in the first place.  Most investors will find you calling them out of the blue as an invasion of privacy.  I would recommend that you try an unorthodox way.


 Thank you for your response. I think if you come across someone’s personal number and just ask to buy a property. That would be invasive… especially with not knowing the person. My goal is not to buy from someone, but to learn and understand how they came up and their real estate story.

Post: Owner phone number contact information

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166
Quote from @Evan Polaski:

@Patrick Flanagan, is there a for lease sign on the property with a phone number? If not, does that same LLC own multiple properties in the area, and the others have for lease signs?

Talk to some tenants, see if they have the manager or owner's number.  As Melissa noted, someone knows who the owner is, and can get ahold of them.

Also, just to clarify, the reason people use direct mail is because even though you feel like it takes a lot of time to get no responses, it is still faster than doing all of this research to still get 99+% "not interested in selling".  While I have never done call campaigns at scale, I have done a few dozen on specific properties I like, and even though I have connected with about 80% of these calls, I still got 100% no's.  The point being, off market deals will always be a very, very low conversion rate.  You are intentionally targeting people that do not have any desire to sell (I say "any desire", because the barriers to listing a property is VERY low and the seller can't even come to that point).


Thank you for the reply. The sole purpose of my call is to sit down with a successful investor and learn about there investments. I don’t not intend to call and ask to buy their property. When I receive direct mail letters or phone calls for people saying I want to buy your places I don’t respond most of the time. But if someone called me asking me how I got started and what my real estate plans are I’d be happy to talk about it. 
so my reason for calling isn’t to ask to buy, I want to build as many relationships as I can. So either in the future they will think of me if they want to sell or maybe they can say I don’t have any properties for sale but I know some people that do.


I think building a relationship with owners is a big over looked step, so when your genuine and truly want to learn from someone, they will be more likely to give you a deal in the future. 
any thoughts??   

Post: Owner phone number contact information

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166

Hey there,

As I'm sifting through LLC and owners of apartment complexes, I have a hard time tracking down a owners phone number. I even looked up my info on whitepages and it has a wrong number listed from when I was 18.

I’m not great with direct mail letters and get little to no responses… they are also time consuming. if I could shoot a owner a phone call to have a sit down meeting with them or just over the phone. I’m trying to build a relationship with them and learn how they got to where they are. 

Thanks,

Pat 

Post: Underwriting apartment deals

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Patrick Flanagan:

Hey there! 
I want to get better at underwriting apartment complexes. What softwares do you use? What are things I need to be asking the sellers agent for? 
im mostly looking at value add (c-b class) smaller apartments. 

I guess from pat experience what were some things you wished you knew before the deal closed. 

Thanks,

Pat 


 Depending on size, you can you Argus, but right now probably not what you need. I would start with building out something in excel. getrefm has some good courses on how to do that. 

Regarding due diligence package, I would lookup here on BP everything you need, again depending on size of deal there is a lot to go through. 


Thank you for the response, I’m looking to buy a 16-24 unit building. I own a 4 plex and 2 single family homes. I can’t make the returns on the 1-4 units like a can on the 5+ buildings. 

Post: Underwriting apartment deals

Patrick FlanaganPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Prineville, Or
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 166

Hey there! 
I want to get better at underwriting apartment complexes. What softwares do you use? What are things I need to be asking the sellers agent for? 
im mostly looking at value add (c-b class) smaller apartments. 

I guess from pat experience what were some things you wished you knew before the deal closed. 

Thanks,

Pat