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All Forum Posts by: Pascual Torres

Pascual Torres has started 16 posts and replied 33 times.

thanks guys for all you input. 

 I was curious if negative cash flow was a huge mistake and big no no. From all the reading/listening ive done, it all says to find something that can cashflow, even if its 25$/month

Sounds like there is in fact people who dont mind the temporary negative cashflow, I think that aligns with I am seeing here locally.

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Quote from @Pascual Torres:
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To add to this, what is driving people to be buying these properties where the numbers just simply don't make sense and it obviously doesn't cash flow? Are people hedging on inflation and appreciation? 


 There is not a lot of supply around here and it is a very desirable place to live. Lots of people from big cities are moving in and bringing their big equity with them. It's hard competing with owner occupied as in "investor".

I hear from local agents that some people are totally buying and holding regardless of cashflow just for the appreciation. A year ago a house would have been 80K cheaper according to local agents.


 Have you thought an investing out of state? Are you tied to Oregon because you live there?

I have thought about it but since a I am noob, I have not thought of it as a viable option.
I plan to do the property management myself.
Quote from @Brian Walters:

@Pascual Torres I'm in a similar situation where I live. We are looking to get into investing but properties don't last more than a few days and go for over asking, often sight unseen. The prices are increasing faster than you would think could be possible.

I'm not in a position to tell anyone what to do but we are doing our best to be patient. We look at properties daily, run numbers, if something looks decent we take another step but often can't compete with an all cash buyer.

Sometimes the best action is no action. Not going to buy something for the sake of saying we own one. For now I'm looking to continue to learn and take some of the money that would be a down payment and use it to make money for future investments.

Good luck


 Good luck Brian!

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Hi, Im trying to invest in rental properties but the prices in my local area are so high that everything I look at doesnt cash flow (with traditional financing). Everything is flying off the shelves. I mean everything. Offering over asking price is the norm and necessary if you want to get the property. Buying for appreciation seems what people are doing but from what I read, that is not good strategy.

Should I stop trying to look for cash flowing properties and buy negative cash flowing properties just for the appreciation and loan paydown?

What strategies have you experienced investors deployed in such climate?


I think you already know the answer. We're in a peak market with prices that are unhinged from reality. It didn't make sense to buy properties with negative cash flow six years ago, two year ago, or last week.

Stick to the principles and exercise some patience. It may be a year - or even two - before we return to some sense of normalcy. Don't get caught up in the frenzy and make a mistake that may negatively impact the rest of your life.


 Very good point on the patience. It can be easy to get caught up in the frenzy. It's easy to just get all pumped up and want to just make something happen, which is a good thing in some circumstances. Also easy to think you are missing out when you compare homes prices from a year ago to now. Makes you think that you should "jumped on it".

Quote from @Aaron W Cary:

To add to this, what is driving people to be buying these properties where the numbers just simply don't make sense and it obviously doesn't cash flow? Are people hedging on inflation and appreciation? 


 There is not a lot of supply around here and it is a very desirable place to live. Lots of people from big cities are moving in and bringing their big equity with them. It's hard competing with owner occupied as in "investor".

I hear from local agents that some people are totally buying and holding regardless of cashflow just for the appreciation. A year ago a house would have been 80K cheaper according to local agents.

Hi, Im trying to invest in rental properties but the prices in my local area are so high that everything I look at doesnt cash flow (with traditional financing). Everything is flying off the shelves. I mean everything. Offering over asking price is the norm and necessary if you want to get the property. Buying for appreciation seems what people are doing but from what I read, that is not good strategy.

Should I stop trying to look for cash flowing properties and buy negative cash flowing properties just for the appreciation and loan paydown?

What strategies have you experienced investors deployed in such climate?

Post: Use cash or loan for Spec home?

Pascual TorresPosted
  • Oregon
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 8

Hi guys,

I have bought two lots that I will build spec homes on. The plan is to fund the first home build with my own cash. Sell the home and then start on the second.

I was wondering what your thoughts were on using your own cash vs using a construction loan for this type of project?

hi guys

We currently have a property for sale that is FSBO. We have a buyer and want to do a 1 year owner carried contract with a balloon payment at the end of the year. Is there any templates/forms you guys like using? We are in the state of Oregon.

Also, does there need to be a traditional "purchase agreement" form in addition to the "owner carried contract" agreement?

any help is appreciated.

thanks

thanks everybody for your inputs. It's nice to hear the different perspectives. I will continue my search for the right help but with a better understanding. 

I keep reading the terms "investor friendly" contractors or "investor friendly" prices for work performed. I've read this in a few different books on real estate investing but also in the the same books, they say to find the best reputable tradesmen. Aren't the best tradesmen going to charge the highest prices? Seems kind of a contradicting concept. 

or is there situations where somebody does awesome work at low prices?