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All Forum Posts by: Nick Frankus

Nick Frankus has started 3 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: Additional Structures Coverage

Nick FrankusPosted
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  • Molalla, OR
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I am buying a rental house that has a detached garage in addition to the attached garage. 

Should I get additional structures coverage for the detached garage? And if so, how should I determine the coverage amount? 

Post: Sub2 refinance concerns

Nick FrankusPosted
  • Investor
  • Molalla, OR
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I am looking at my first Sub2 deal and have a question. As long as the title transfers to me at closing and I buy subject to the existing financing, is there any reason a lender would have a problem refinancing the house and paying off the underlying loans which are in the seller's name?

My plan is to purchase the house subject to the existing financing (I take title and pay sellers loan payments), rehab the house with cash, then refinance and potentially cash out my rehab money if the numbers are good enough. What are the problems I should be aware of in this case?

I fact that is another reason this deal may appeal is that rather than laying out lots of capital up front, I'm able to keep more cash reserves to be able to use in the event there are tenant or other problems.

Obviously I've been ignoring the fact that deals do exist where you put out no or little money and they are immediate cash flow monsters. I'm not suggesting this is an awesome deal, just possibly an alternative to putting out large capital up front

Isn't there a risk with any rental property that tenants trash it no matter how it is structured?Seems like even a deal with healthy initial cash flows would be subject to negative returns if the tenant trashes it.

@Dion DePaoli, thank you for the thoughtful reply. I apologize for spelling the word wrong.

The structure of this deal, should I decide to do it, is the next part of my question. Since I am very ignorant in this area, my thinking may be flawed but my thought was that I would take title subject to a promissory note to the seller for 100k with payments for 24 months of $1000 and a subsequent balloon, all secured by the seller with a trust deed. Would that not be a workable structure?

Thanks for the feedback. There seems to be a little confusion in my example so maybe a few specifics would help. Obviously these are grossly oversimplified scenarios that don't include maintenance, vacancies etc, which would be present no matter how the house is paid for, but it may help illustrate my dilema.

Purchase Price 100,000 Market Rent $950

Scenario #1-Traditional Purchase, 20% down, 30 year fixed interest loan:

$100k-$20k down, Finance $80k @5%, PITI Payments of $690=CF of $260/mo

($20k invested, $3120 received =15.6%ROI year one. After 5 years, 78% of the original investment has come back to me and after 10 years 156%)

Scenario #2 (Which my original question is about)

No money down,PRINCIPLE ONLY Payments of $1000/mo. with the remaining balance ($76,000) due after 24 months.

First two years look something like this (Loan+Taxes/Ins.=$1250/mo, resulting in $300 negative cash flow for 24 months)

Total invested in 24 Months=$7,200 ($300x24 mo.)

Now I need to make some assumptions about future value and interest rates for a refi after 24 months. I realize this is where the risk is in this deal as no one knows where the value of the home or interest rates will be, but for the sake of illustration, I worked out a couple different scenarios.

If value of the home stays the same or increases, I owe $76,000 on a $100k+ home, putting this at less than 80%LTV, allowing for a refi at the market rate without putting additional money down. Understanding that the market interest rate will not be known, for this example I'm going to assume investment property 30 fixed interest loan will increase 2% from 5% currently to 7% to test the numbers. The new rate could be more, could be less after 24 months.

New Loan of $76k @ 7%=PITI of $764/mo, resulting in $186/mo. CF

After 5 years, I have $7,200 invested, have received $6,696 or 93% of my investment back. After 10 years I have received 248% of original investment (At 6% new interest rate, 5 year return would be 118% of original investment and after 10 years it would be 315%)

If value of the house drops, I would need to come up with additional money down in order to refi. For this example I am going to assume what I consider to be a drastic reduction in value of 24% (to keep the numbers easy) over the 24 month period (which I consider very unlikely but certainly possible). It would look something like this:

Owed $76k with a value now at $76k. I have already invested $7,200 in negative cash flow over the previous 2 years.

To refi, I need to be at 80%LTV meaning I need to put an additional $15,200 down

Now, total invested is $22,400.

With the same financing assumptions as above, new loan is

$60,800 @7%=$662/mo PITI which means $288/mo CF

In this scenario where value of the house drops 24% in the two years I am paying no interest, after 5 years 77% of total investment has been returned and after 10 years 123%

The appeal to me of this deal is that I am essentially able to finance my down payment INTEREST FREE, so I am able to preserve my current capital for other deals, and if bad things happen over the two year period, I eventually put down the money I was hoping to avoid having to put down, but I don't have to put it down all at once, and still receive similar returns.

It may also help to know that I am not and am not trying to become a full time investor, relying on current investment cash flow. I have a job that supports all of the above numbers and my investment goal is to create cash flow and equity about 15 years from now when I retire.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm still trying to work this out in my head as well. I appreciate the feedback so far, but I hope more specifics will lead to additional thoughtful feedback

I have a seller willing to carry owner financing with no money down, principle only payments with a 2 year balloon. The payments she is willing to take would result in a negative cash flow when rented for the 2 year period until the balloon.

The purchase price is pretty much right at current market value. I'm wondering if it is worth paying market price now and negative cash flow for two years, then could refi then, potentially being at a 20% equity position. I would then be in a cash flow position without having to put the 20% down all in one chunk.

Does this make any sense or am I just being silly?