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All Forum Posts by: Seth B.

Seth B. has started 6 posts and replied 48 times.

Post: Is my cash flow really $135.75/month?

Seth B.Posted
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @Ben Leybovich:

@Seth B. - you are right.  With small rentals, there will not be much CF in the long run.  The problem is management - you really can't afford it on small rentals.  Buying small rentals is self-employment.  This is not wrong, but it is what it is.   BP sells you a bag of goodies telling you that you are an investor when buying small stuff - no, you are not.

Again - this doesn't mean you don't get ahead buying a duplex like you did, just not in a way you're doing it. Management and CapEx over 7 years will put you in the negative - guaranteed!

Here's a way to look at this.  There is a difference between investing in real estate and building a business in real estate.  If you want to invest, meaning you want to be hands off, then either buy an apartment building which is large enough to support management and pay roll, or if you can't pull that off, put money into a syndicate, though even that will set you back $50,000 if you go with anything I do for instance.  Otherwise, don't kid yourself that anything will be passive, in which case you're not an investor - you are in business, just like the rest of us.

Dump the management today and do it yourself, and to be sure that there are economies of scale relative to your time, buy a bunch more.  If not, sell it and put the money into apple :)

The property is in a different state. So there is no way to manage it myself. I think over 7 years I wil come out ahead, when you factor in mortgage pay down and appreciation. By putting another $200.00 a month toward the principle it would be paid off in 15 years. So let's say that management and CapEx over 7 years made it so instead of cash flowing the $820/month I had to spend it on maintenance ect... Plus I lost another $200.00 in negative cash flow. $200/month times 12 equals $2,400 a year times 15 years is $36,000. But it would most likely still sell for $110,000 or more with appreciation. That would leave me $74,000 to do a 1030 exchange with on a larger property. Let's say I am able to buy 4 of them that would be $296,000 in 15 years. But I don't think it will negative cash flow over the long term, but only time will tell.

We all have to start somewhere. I am not rich now, so I have to start somewhere with what I have.

Apple stock is not looking as good as Oil stock is right now. I am fighting urge to buy $20,000 worth of WTI (West Texas Intermediate) as we speak. ;)  

Post: Is my cash flow really $135.75/month?

Seth B.Posted
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

Just caught up with this thread. @Seth B. , looks like the 50% 'rule' was not too far out, hey? (Any extra netted %, including appreciation, can be treated as a bonus).

@Michael W., Your story also shows why REI is not for the feint hearted, but IS for the endurers. Cheers...

 Maybe, maybe not.... If I never asked for that deposit right off the bat, my expenses might have been very minimal over the first 1.5 years. But it might have played out the same way even if I didn't ask for the deposit, so who knows.

Post: Bought my first rental property

Seth B.Posted
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @Keith K.:

Seth, can you give an update to your experience with this Fort Worth duplex rental?  Any lessons learned for distance investing?  Is that your strategy, generally?  What's making it successful for you?  Thanks.

Post: Bought my first rental property

Seth B.Posted
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 14

I decided to update everyone on the duplex I bought since it has been over a year since my last post. I had a rough start after buying my first rental property out of state as you can see from my older posts.

I am happy to say things have gotten better over time…

About 1 month after purchasing the property ( I purchased it on 9/20/2013) I found that one of the existing tenants never put down a deposit when they moved in. So I figured I would tell my property manager to ask that tenant to pay a deposit. This I feel was a mistake (for a new rental property owner getting his feet wet) because the tenant put in their 30 day notice instead of paying the deposit. So I was hit right off the bat with a 1 month vacancy and around $1,800.00 in repairs (the tenant had lived there for 6.5 years). The tenant smoked in the unit (even though their original lease said no smoking), so it had to be repainted and several other smaller items needed repair. The old tenant was paying $650/month in rent. The new tenant signed a lease for $800/month rent, so at least I received a rent increase.

Since the property was a duplex I assume there was a good chance that this tenant told the other tenant about the "new owner" asking for a deposit. This may have made the other tenant worry that the new owner was going to ask for additional deposits or possible raise the rent. So a couple months later the other tenant put in their 30 day notice. This time it took 1.5 months to find another tenant which signed a lease for $765/month.

During the second vacancy, the unit was broken into by a person who had been causing a lot of problems in the neighborhood. The tenant on the other side of the duplex heard some noises one night and called the property manager. The property manager came over to the unit and came face to face with the burglar. The manager chased the burglar (ya not real smart) for a few blocks and they just happened to run right past a parked police car. The burglar was arrested and has a lengthy record so he will be looking at some real jail time. I sent the police report to my insurance company and they covered all but $800 (my deductible) of the damage caused.

Now that I have had two new tenants for around a year, things have went much smoother. My total rents each month is $1,565/month. My property management company charges 7% which comes to $109.55/month. That leaves me with $1,455.45/month. I bought the duplex for $85,000 and put 25% down. My monthly mortgage payment which includes taxes and insurance is $585.00/month. This would leave me with $870.45 each month for the last year. But after some small maintenance items that have come up over the last year I estimate I clear about $820/month on the duplex.

Since purchasing the duplex 1.5 years ago it has appreciated also. I estimate it to be worth about $110,000 right now. So since I purchased it for $85,000 (which was about $8,000 under what it was worth at the time) it is worth $25,000 more than I purchased it for.

As for the $820/month I am clearing I just deposit into a dedicated bank account each month and don't touch it. Because I understand that some day the roof will need to be replaced, possible AC Unit, furnace ect…

After I file my taxes in the next few weeks, it will be the second year of tax returns that I will have the rental duplex included on. So the banks should then be willing to count the rental income against the mortgage payment, which helps against ones income to debt ratio when wanting to buy another rental property.

So my plan now is to buy my second rental property in the next few months. If things continue to go well I will continue to buy rental properties until the bank tells me I am at my limit. Then I may work on paying off the mortgages or look into an umbrella loan from a credit union, and continue to buy more rentals.

I will say that the $820/month feels pretty good, the account I deposit it into each month has grown from $0 to about $9,000 in just 11months. not to mention the $25,000 in equity.

Post: Is my cash flow really $135.75/month?

Seth B.Posted
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 14

I decided to update everyone on the duplex I bought since it has been over a year since my last post. I had a rough start after buying my first rental property out of state as you can see from my older posts.

I am happy to say things have gotten better over time… 

About 1 month after purchasing the property ( I purchased it on 9/20/2013) I found that one of the existing tenants never put down a deposit when they moved in. So I figured I would tell my property manager to ask that tenant to pay a deposit. This I feel was a mistake (for a new rental property owner getting his feet wet) because the tenant put in their 30 day notice instead of paying the deposit. So I was hit right off the bat with a 1 month vacancy and around $1,800.00 in repairs (the tenant had lived there for 6.5 years). The tenant smoked in the unit (even though their original lease said no smoking), so it had to be repainted and several other smaller items needed repair. The old tenant was paying $650/month in rent. The new tenant signed a lease for $800/month rent, so at least I received a rent increase.

Since the property was a duplex I assume there was a good chance that this tenant told the other tenant about the "new owner" asking for a deposit. This may have made the other tenant worry that the new owner was going to ask for additional deposits or possible raise the rent. So a couple months later the other tenant put in their 30 day notice. This time it took 1.5 months to find another tenant which signed a lease for $765/month. 

During the second vacancy, the unit was broken into by a person who had been causing a lot of problems in the neighborhood. The tenant on the other side of the duplex heard some noises one night and called the property manager. The property manager came over to the unit and came face to face with the burglar. The manager chased the burglar (ya not real smart) for a few blocks and they just happened to run right past a parked police car. The burglar was arrested and has a lengthy record so he will be looking at some real jail time. I sent the police report to my insurance company and they covered all but $800 (my deductible) of the damage caused. 

Now that I have had two new tenants for around a year, things have went much smoother. My total rents each month is $1,565/month. My property management company charges 7% which comes to $109.55/month. That leaves me with $1,455.45/month. I bought the duplex for $85,000 and put 25% down. My monthly mortgage payment which includes taxes and insurance is $585.00/month. This would leave me with $870.45 each month for the last year. But after some small maintenance items that have come up over the last year I estimate I clear about $820/month on the duplex. 

Since purchasing the duplex 1.5 years ago it has appreciated also. I estimate it to be worth about $110,000 right now. So since I purchased it for $85,000 (which was about $8,000 under what it was worth at the time) it is worth $25,000 more than I purchased it for.

As for the $820/month I am clearing I just deposit into a dedicated bank account each month and don't touch it. Because I understand that some day the roof will need to be replaced, possible AC Unit, furnace ect…

After I file my taxes in the next few weeks, it will be the second year of tax returns that I will have the rental duplex included on. So the banks should then be willing to count the rental income against the mortgage payment, which helps against ones income to debt ratio when wanting to buy another rental property. 

So my plan now is to buy my second rental property in the next few months. If things continue to go well I will continue to buy rental properties until the bank tells me I am at my limit. Then I may work on paying off the mortgages or look into an umbrella loan from a credit union, and continue to buy more rentals.

I will say that the $820/month feels pretty good, the account I deposit it into each month has grown from $0 to about $9,000 in just 11months. not to mention the $25,000 in equity.

I am hoping top find out what City/State has the highest monthly rent payouts for section 8?

I thought I read some where that a city close to Fort Lauderdale, FL has landlords that get $1,400-$1,700/month for a 3 bedroom 2 bath house rented to section 8 tenants.

I have tried to google this question with no luck so far.

Anyone have an idea?

What is the average section 8 rents where you own rentals for a 3/2?

I am not sure what part of Atlanta to invest in. I thought if I can find a very good Property Management company I would invest in the area they manage.

Can anyone recommend a very good Property Management Company in Atlanta GA?

Post: Buy and Hold investors in Texas: are you concerned?

Seth B.Posted
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 14

My only concern about Texas is that more, and more investors are starting to purchase there. Investors who are no longer finding good deals on the East and West coast are now flocking to TX. Also investors who were buying in Las Vegas and Arizona have already bid up the prices in those cities and seem to now be interested in deals in Texas. I bought a duplex in Texas recently in September of 2013. I am now wanting to buy another one, but the deals have dried up in the city in which I bought. Whats left is getting multiple bids above asking price by out of state investors…. I major change in just the last 6 months.

Originally posted by @Martin Zawarski:
bank loans commercial rates. 25 year at 4%

Did you have to own your first rental for 2 years before getting more loans?