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All Forum Posts by: Nicholas Misch

Nicholas Misch has started 8 posts and replied 293 times.

Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
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Thank you for this post! We have been considering section 8 investing here in Cleveland for quite a while because we hear about the "guaranteed payments" but we knew more people who lost a lot and had so many headaches on top of it. I am not saying this isn't a good strategy for some (very few), but for me it's a hard NO. 

Post: Investing in Lorain, Ohio

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
  • Votes 274
Quote from @James Wise:

UPDATE - Since I last posted in this thread 5 years ago we've since started operating out there in Lorain county. Doing a decent chunk of business in both Lorain and Elyria. Elyria is what I'd consider a C class neighborhood with Lorain being rougher than that.....My recommendation is for investors to utilize the Section 8 program when investing in both of these locations. Especially Lorain.

Hey James,

I hope you are doing well. If I have a good opportunity to buy a cash flowing section 8 property in Lorain should I or should I stay away. I have property in Cleveland and Parma, but nothing yet in Lorain. The property is already section 8 rented at $1,369 with a purchase price (asking) $115k. I also do not yet have any section 8 as of yet. Thanks in advance for any updated advice or suggestions. 

Post: Which cities should I be focusing on for an above 6 cap rate.

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
  • Votes 274

As already stated Cleveland is still a great market for that Cap. 

Post: New Investor - Which market to pick?

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
  • Votes 274

Cash flow and appreciation can be found in Cleveland and Akron. 

Post: Travel Nurse Rental Niche

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
  • Votes 274

We looked at it for our almost complete BRRRR to Airbnb, which is 5 min from a major hospital and airport, but the stats seem to have dropped a lot since the covid surge has ended.

Post: Reducing lawn landscaping costs

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
  • Votes 274

Artificial turf looks.....artificial. :) Also can get really jacked up with the heavy ice and snow here. 

Post: Where should I house hack a duplex in America in the next year?

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
  • Votes 274

I will parrot that in Cleveland, your money can go very far on anything from a 2-4 unit. Just make sure your not afraid of a little cold and snow. :)

Post: BRRRR Method Using HELOC with Rising Interest Rates

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
  • Votes 274
Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Paul Sanchez Well, I have alarms going off in my head at the 85% cash out, LTV on a 4-plex...I have never heard of any lender doing that - ever. It's hard enough finding lenders that will write 80% LTV on single family homes right now. So this one broker saying that they can write 85% cash out on a 4-plex...that sounds impossible. I'm assuming this is an investment property - so if it's anything different let me know.

However, if they have prequalified you...they should be able to provide you a prequalification letter. Make sure that letter states 85% LTV, cash out refinance. MAKE SURE.  And will your rate be higher than your purchase loan?  This is a question for your broker.  If they can in fact do this, they would be the only lender in existence who can, and if we assume that they can write this - that means they are the only one that can answer that question.  For all other loans, a cash out loan will carry a higher interest rate than a purchase.  I mean, I cannot answer for all 8,000 lenders here - but in 99% of the scenarios a cash out loan will have higher rates or higher fees with them.

Hope all of that makes sense.


We are in the middle stages of our BRRRR refinance and I couldn't find anyone to do more then 75% LTV, and we really looked. A higher LTV may be possible but not at an interest rate I am anywhere near comfortable with.

Post: What to do with $75,000 saved up

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
  • Votes 274

You could easily get a 3-6 or more unit building in Cleveland or the suburbs. With $75k down you can get something really nice up to $400k.

Post: Chicago suburb: My first investment

Nicholas Misch
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  • Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 307
  • Votes 274

I am not an expert on Chicago, though I love the windy city. Cleveland may be a great place for your next investment.